The only thing that will destroy planetside 2.

Pella · 2012-06-09, 02:18 AM

Hackers.

Being a FTP Game, And the amount of players that will be playing, Planetside will be a prime target by hacking programmers trying to sell there undetected hacks on a monthly subscription which its going to happen.

You only have to look at what happened to APB which was a a brilliant concept full of fun and packed with players, until hackers completely destroyed it.

I would like to hear what SOE have up there sleeves as if they dont get on top of this before launch the game will hit a wall.

From my understanding PS2 will be using the latest Punk buster. Along with CSM online at all times. My question is to SOE, how is a CSM suppose to spot hackers. And if they do what will happen?

SOE Need put there foot down from the start with Perma Bans. Check Anaconda Catalogue and Best and less Catalogue.

Im justs curious on how things will work in PS2. As with anyone here, Soon as there's an influx with hackers il be on my bike.

-Pella

The Kush · 2012-06-09, 02:21 AM

Agreed 100%. Hacking can not be tolerated.

Vetto · 2012-06-09, 02:23 AM

This is a double blade sword, if it 100% with out a doubt hacking then yes PERMA ban on the spot... but a lot of people who get sore over losing may report some one for hacking just out of spite and put people account on temp lock down as they look into it.

They need to be Vigilant but not oppressive.

-Is aware of the irony of that last statement coming from a TR player-.

FastAndFree · 2012-06-09, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Vetto

This is a double blade sword, if it 100% with out a doubt hacking then yes PERMA ban on the spot... but a lot of people who get sore over losing may report some one for hacking just out of spite and put people account on temp lock down as they look into it.

They need to be Vigilant but not oppressive.

-Is aware of the irony of that last statement coming from a TR player-.

Not immediately. Ban them after a randomly selected timespan, like a few days, to make it harder to experiment with what they can get away with

Rumblepit · 2012-06-10, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

Not immediately. Ban them after a randomly selected timespan, like a few days, to make it harder to experiment with what they can get away with

steam uses vac, and what it dose is when it detects a hack it compares the data to other flagged/reported accounts and compiles a list. so lets say your joe smo,,,, and you just downloaded some hacks from a well know hack site. you try them out ,do some testing by yourself but you get flagged by the anti hack, or caught by another player.. well what you did was just get everyone who downloaded hacks from that site banned... they all get banned at the same time. all the hackers even the ones who havnt been reported or caught,or even used the hacks get banned at the same time. but they can all just make new accounts after they have been banned. this is the downfall with f2p games....
verification and or identification of all players must be required!!!! this is a must.
f2p is very popular gaming model atm and its doing well for most games out there, but when it comes to skill based f2p games they are almost always flooded with hackers. i say almost because the f2p model came from china, where it is illegal to hack. you get caught hacking you or your parents will face charges....... f2p skill base games in china are huge..... and if you are not a resident of that country you dont play on their servers...... just to get on one of their servers you have to steal a identity of a resident of china. DOB,SS number,place of birth, mother and father, and credit card number. this is why the 9 want nothing to do with us, they will have their servers and no hackers. thats all they care about........

we need to adopt some of these laws for this model to work as intended.....
i have faith in the soe team but the our laws wont back them up.

Vanu Techpriest · 2012-06-10, 02:41 PM

I've never really found hacking to be a problem when it comes to MMO's even if it is an FPS. Many of the files will be server-side and I'm sure any hackers will be quickly noticed by the players and dev-team and taken care of.

It should be easy to spot hackers simply by looking at their profile data (like BF3 combat log). I'm sure SoE will have some type of failsafes that parse combat data and ban people with 500:1 K/D ratios and 100% accuracy.

Neurotoxin · 2012-06-09, 02:25 AM

Report, report, report. They will supposedly have a 24/7 ninja crew that is going to be booting hackers and cheaters rapidly.

ThermalReaper · 2012-06-09, 02:27 AM

I can only imagine them sneaking around like shadows and illusions.

Serotriptomine · 2012-06-10, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

Report, report, report. They will supposedly have a 24/7 ninja crew that is going to be booting hackers and cheaters rapidly.

Wonder if they're hiring, i'm sure a ton of players from way back when will want to play their part above and beyond reporting.

Ghoest9 · 2012-06-11, 04:35 PM

Its possible that there will be very little useful hacking.

Someone can always make a bot and someone can always modify the interface appearance to make specific elements more noticable but its possible to use server side design that make it essentially impossible to give players a performance advantage.

I SandRock · 2012-06-11, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Its possible that there will be very little useful hacking.

Someone can always make a bot and someone can always modify the interface appearance to make specific elements more noticable but its possible to use server side design that make it essentially impossible to give players a performance advantage.

Not in FPS games. In FPS games the user will always be responsible for his own aim. You can't turn aim into a server-side thing. It's ALWAYS client side because its done by the user's own input. That means it will ALWAYS be possible to make a program that does the aiming for the user AKA Aimbots.

Razicator · 2012-06-09, 02:26 AM

Only way to stop hackers is to tip the effort:reward scale too much into the effort section. Hardware bans, IP bans, account bans, none of these will deter a hacker permanently, but make the process to fix the bans require effort, and you deter 99% of the hackers. An extreme case would be something like requiring cellphone verification, not just email, for each account you make with a text, like Facebook. For some reason Google Voice text does not work with Facebook text verifications (I tried making some accounts for the PS2 app lol), so use whatever they're doing for PS2.

As for the 1% that just get off on ruining shit for others; that just requires a good anti-hack system as well as attentive moderators and an easy way to report obvious hackers. Possibly a /report X function where over ~20 reports in a day would automatically put an account on a watch list or something.

Pella · 2012-06-09, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Razicator

Only way to stop hackers is to tip the effort:reward scale too much into the effort section. Hardware bans, IP bans, account bans, none of these will deter a hacker permanently, but make the process to fix the bans require effort, and you deter 99% of the hackers. An extreme case would be something like requiring cellphone verification, not just email, for each account you make with a text, like Facebook. For some reason Google Voice text does not work with Facebook text verifications (I tried making some accounts for the PS2 app lol), so use whatever they're doing for PS2.

As for the 1% that just get off on ruining shit for others; that just requires a good anti-hack system as well as attentive moderators and an easy way to report obvious hackers. Possibly a /report X function where over ~20 reports in a day would automatically put an account on a watch list or something.

Seems like a solid idea. SOE needs x2 CSMs on 12 hour shifts which isnt going to cost SOE allot of money. Compared to what they could loose and gain in the long run.

Zekeen · 2012-06-09, 02:39 AM

Higby has stated a couple of plans they have to stop hackers and cheaters. They have special software that will show if a person is gaining too much or doing to well to be physically possible. They then have 24/7 "game admin" who will be watching over the game and take a look whenever the software says that a cheater has begun some less than legal activities. If they see he is indeed cheating, the wipe his existence out of PS2.

But they have "layers" of anti hacking protection planned.

RedKnights · 2012-06-09, 02:41 AM

And they won't tell us about the layers, which is a GOOD thing.