Scathing criticism at Gamespot

Dartan · 2012-08-31, 08:43 AM

Watch the entire video before responding.

This is very worrying indeed, it's like the whole point of what Planetside 2 is suppose to be is missing, especially it lacks all the suggested features the reviewer listed from 03:00 mark.

Nathaniak · 2012-08-31, 08:56 AM

Of course it's missing features! It's in BETA! This is not one of those 'ohh play for free for a few weeks before release' betas. PS2 is constantly improving - most of the issues in the video can be, and are going to be, easily solved before release.

If you look around the offical streams, or if you've managed to get in, you'll see that most of these criticisms are unfounded.

Dartan · 2012-08-31, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Nathaniak

Of course it's missing features! It's in BETA!

This doesn't make much sense, how can beta lack the most basic features of what defines(or is suppose to) the game?

vVRedOctoberVv · 2012-08-31, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dartan

This doesn't make much sense, how can beta lack the most basic features of what defines(or is suppose to) the game?

Beta is the testing phase. For many games, this equates early access to the finished product.

In this case, it is a brand new engine, a brand new game, with a lot of major changes being implemented. Games do not appear over night as a result of Smedley and Higby performing dark rites around a fire. They have to start somewhere. This beta, that is "testing phase", is intended to try out various methods of gameplay to see what works best. The "Basis of the game" IS in place = 2,000 player battles for territory in a persistent world. The specific manner in which those battles are carried out is what is still changing.

maradine · 2012-08-31, 02:34 PM

Somewhere in the last 10 years, Beta stopped meaning "Feature Complete, Final Testing".

Whatever. They're dumping content into the cooker weekly, and it tastes better with each patch.

Figment · 2012-08-31, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Somewhere in the last 10 years, Beta stopped meaning "Feature Complete, Final Testing".

Whatever. They're dumping content into the cooker weekly, and it tastes better with each patch.

Yet a lot of people (fanbois) think that beta means it is allowed to get away with everything, meaning those flaws far more often than not reach the release version over the past ten years, because critique has always been done away with as "it's just beta".

At the same time, major design decision changes do not really occur anymore and haven't really occured in PS2 as of yet. What has happened is that systems have been integrated, but what we've mostly seen is a game without systems to a game with at least some systems. We've yet to determine if it's the right systems (though for some systems it's already clear to me and others they're not - class and cert system as is included), yet we're moving closer and closer to release.

Now, if PS2 is going the way of World of Tanks (early flawed release, continuous work over time and OH NEW GAME IDEA SEND DEVS TO OTHER GAME BEFORE WE'RE FULLY DONE - like what happened to PS1...), then they have to really commit themselves to a substantial, long term permanent team. Given SOE's history, I'm not sure if we can expect that. So no, I at least am not going to give SOE the benefit of the doubt just because something is in beta.

I'm going to stick on their arse till every important issue is solved satisfactory. And that'll take many, many months and probably some brave decisions to revise current PS2 design philosophy fundamentally in some parts.

Goku · 2012-08-31, 09:12 AM

Maybe this guy should play with a properly manned organized outfit before saying all this junk too. This game isn't really meant to be playing lone wolf in the first place.

Figment · 2012-08-31, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Goku

Maybe this guy should play with a properly manned organized outfit before saying all this junk too. This game isn't really meant to be playing lone wolf in the first place.

Think of who plays: solists, small groups, mediocre size groups and zerggroups.

If ANY of these is not viable, the game is poorly designed and will lose subscribers swiftly. Currently only the last two are possible, so I'm more than a little worried. Especially since I fall in between the first two groups being an infil in a small outfit.

Dartan · 2012-08-31, 09:13 AM

Also comments like these below that video don't look very promising-

played several days in the beta..... it is HORRIBLE. no interest what so ever anymore.

Goku · 2012-08-31, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Dartan

Also comments like these below that video don't look very promising-

You are going to let your thoughts on this game be swayed by some lame commenter on gamespot and random page comments? The reviewer obviously has a hard on for CoD just by how he was talking. Those page comments are not worth anything either as many could just be trolls. Game is still in beta, this isn't your typical beta (like BF3's glorified alpha/beta demo) so there is going to be plenty of changes coming before release. I suggest trying the game once open beta comes or at release before making your judgment final. When you do get in a organized outfit, otherwise you are missing out on 90% of the game.

Dartan · 2012-08-31, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Goku

When you do get in a organized outfit, otherwise you are missing out on 90% of the game.

OK, that's pretty worrying right there, it's basically just like saying get a guild for Team Fortress 2 or any other game, which means 90% will not be able to do it and the game for most people will suck bad.

I feel like saying "get in a organized outfit" is pretty dishonest when everyone knows that most people will not know how to do this, just like in every other game.

Also how is that related to the features he proposed which are in other games?

Bittermen · 2012-08-31, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dartan

OK, that's pretty worrying right there, it's basically just like saying get a guild for Team Fortress 2 or any other game, which means 90% will not be able to do it and the game for most people will suck bad.

I feel like saying "get in a organized outfit" is pretty dishonest when everyone knows that most people will not know how to do this, just like in every other game.

Also how is that related to the features he proposed which are in other games?

Don't even play the game then.

BF3 sucked unless you were in an organized clan anyway. Without teamwork all these games are shit imho.

lawnmower · 2012-09-01, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Goku

The reviewer obviously has a hard on for CoD just by how he was talking.

lol what

OnexBigxHebrew · 2012-09-01, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by lawnmower

lol what

I know. That was a baffling and outright incorrect statement to me, wierd to see something so straight-up blind from Goku. Nothing in the video to suggest this. The guy in the video sounded pumped and positive about PS2 for the most part. And for those who say he isn't 'qualified' to judge this game, I think the opposite. I think anyone coming in without a huge planetside history and dev team to be attatched to has a more clear opinion than anyone here. Why? He knows whether or not the game is enjoyable, without trying to have fun.

God forbid any responsible journalist make positive suggestions about what a game in beta coud benefit from - especialy after a shitload of praise. I'm so sick of the cliche' of here: "OMG, Don't complain about bugs/shortcomings - it's in beta!". What the hell do you think a beta is for? If people didn't judge, make suggestions and bitch, nothing that really needs fixing would ever actually get fixed.

Also, to all of the dilusional PS1/PS2 diehards - guess what? There actually IS a chance that some things in this game may or may not be the right choices, or perfect.

And remember - and it's best to accept this now - this game could end up totally sucking balls. The gunplay has already lost the favor of a decent part of the community. So whether you like it or hate it, try and be objective, people.

Syphus · 2012-09-01, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by OnexBigxHebrew

What the hell do you think a beta is for? If people didn't judge, make suggestions and bitch, nothing that really needs fixing would ever actually get fixed.

Bitching doesn't, nor will it ever help. That's the problem, few people seem to know the difference between constructive criticism, and bitching.