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2012-04-04, 10:00 PM | [Ignore Me] #1 | ||||||
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I didn't watch the video. I tend to read the transcripts instead which is here:
Transcript of Associated Press Luncheon Speech It covers the speech he gave yesterday at the Associated Press Luncheon. I think he did an amazing job at breaking down the Republican budget plan for people. Though I don't think many people that needed to watch/read it have gotten a chance to. The last responses were really spot on regarding his recent health-care changes (Obamacare):
I really feel these kind of talking points are softening up the republican side. They've been traditionally wary of saying what kind of healthcare system they prefer. I mean they can't say "let poor people die" so you end up with awesome responses to these kind of questions. I especially liked Caldwell's response regarding Obamacare.
Basically advocating for a single-payer system without saying it directly. Too bad Obama hasn't been able to make any movement on such a system though because Republicans labeled single-payer systems as "socialist" and wouldn't compromise on such a system forcing this mandate that people must buy insurance to protect a system that allows people to abuse the ER systems in place artificially inflating the cost of health-care for everyone else. I wish we could get more republicans to read and analyze these issues without writing them off as not problems. I mean you have candidates right now like Santorum who admitted his private insurance sucks after he spent $100,000 out of his pocket to cover medical expenses when his insurance didn't cover things which for less fortunate people is basically end-game. Then he attacks the bill that would end up saving his family possibly millions of dollars of healthcare in the future because he has to uphold a conservative viewpoint toward fighting against supporting the ability for children with pre-existing conditions to get insurance. (Just another battle between the private health market and ethics). How are you guys dealing with current political discussions like this popping up? I'm hoping by posting this people will think hard about the repercussions of what is happening right now. (Could just be the older generation though. Seems like the younger generation basically understands the general problems and the possible solutions). (Also if anyone missed the Cracking Your Genetic Code Nova episode on PBS a few days ago I recommend watching it here. The watch now link is on the right of the site. I think it does a good explanation of the problems we face with pre-existing conditions in the future, or even now). //edit woah fixed formatting errors.
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[Thoughts and Ideas on the Direction of Planetside 2] Last edited by Sirisian; 2012-04-04 at 10:05 PM. |
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2012-04-05, 03:03 AM | [Ignore Me] #3 | |||||
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Why we're messing around with this compromised solution seems a waste of time. I along with most of my friends are waiting for the Republicans to crack and allow a federal single-payer system. Both the Republicans and Democrats agree that healthcare in the US is too expensive and needs more oversight to control prices. (Currently insurance companies deal with hospitals on a one on one basis to decide costs. It's a fairly insane system which has been broken a lot). However, both parties seem to disagree with how to fix the price in healthcare or to even agree on what a single-payer system would look like for the US and how it would affect the current medical system. The Republicans have a pessimistic view that it would lower our quality of care severely leading to long lines. The Democrats are usually optimistic stating that early screening and actually allowing people to not delay problems, because of fear of costs, would lower costs. I think this is also where the separation between state and federal is distinguished. I'm not sure if the Republican state idea comes into this. There's always the tendency for them to say that states can manage things better at the state level. Which could be true. Though they might want to control how the system would be implemented which would be a disagreement. I digress. I think I went into that too far.
Regarding debt I hope the Romney doesn't keep lying. That stuff is getting pretty tired. I talk to a tea party member sometimes (60 year old guy really into politics) and he's getting pretty mad at that kind of stuff since and I quote "anyone can go online and verify this stuff. He's just making Republicans look bad". That and assuming Romney will win is a bit early. The few republicans I've talked to want a brokered convention.
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2012-04-05, 04:11 AM | [Ignore Me] #5 | |||||||||
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The individual mandate is a conservative free-market idea dated as far back as Nixon. It was part of the GOP plan against Hillarycare in the early 90s.
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2012-04-05, 03:44 AM | [Ignore Me] #7 | |||
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2012-04-05, 06:21 AM | [Ignore Me] #9 | |||||||||||||
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Im pretty sure Adam Smith knew a thing or two about capitalism. |
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2012-04-05, 07:49 AM | [Ignore Me] #10 | ||||||||
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And if capital gains were simply regarded as income its already on a progressive scale. No need for additional rules regarding it.
Whats the big deal with risk anyway? I risk my life and livelihood when I go to work. It doesn't entitle me to a 15% tax rate. With an investment I merely risk my money.
Both systems are equally broken because humans are human. A communist citizen will cheat and be lazy to gain an undeserved advantage(less work, same money). A capitalist person will cheat/lie/obscure the truth to gain an undeserved advantage(more money for same work). The only thing that works and is stable is a middle ground between the two, because unmoderated capitalism is every bit as evil of an idea as rigid communism. In other words, it would be quite nice if people would stop worshiping it.
This liberal wants to give out enough fish that people won't starve or be destitute, even if they aren't good or tasty fish. He'd also appreciate it if certain fishermen realized they've won after catching 1 or 2 lifetime supplies of fish from their super premium fishing holes and let others other fish from that spot, or maybe they could give the guys who stock those ponds for them more fish instead of taking as many fish as possible for themselves. Last edited by CutterJohn; 2012-04-05 at 08:22 AM. |
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2012-04-05, 09:06 AM | [Ignore Me] #11 | |||
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I for one don't affiliate with a political party. None of these idiots and neither party goes along fully with how I would like this country to be run.
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2012-04-05, 10:54 AM | [Ignore Me] #12 | |||||
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And if you do have insurance? You're still participating in socialism. You're paying for their operations, their kids with cancer, their prescriptions, their frivolous use of the emergency room. We are all already paying for everyones health care. Having an insurance mandate doesn't make things socialist.. it already is highly socialist. But it is implemented in the absolute worst, and most inefficient, possible way, because some people can't stand the thought of giving people something with no strings attached, they feel everything must be earned in some fashion. So we got the awesome mix where you still sometimes can get what you didn't earn(i.e. expensive emergency care), but you will be severely punished for it, and of course the massive inefficient bureaucracy intended to deny people. As for the welfare state breeding entitlement whores? In the year 2000, national unemployment was less than 3%. People want to work when work is available. There may be a few people living happily off the public tit, but they are very few and far between, and have ridiculously low standards. Or possibly are disabled. Life on the dole(what little you can get these days) is a miserable existence. And capital gains? Phooey. In the 90s, it was 28%, the economy was strong, unemployment low, and we even managed to balance the budget a few times. Maybe it helps a bit, but it certainly hasn't proven to have been all that helpful.
I mean.. those countries exist.. right now. You can open up wikipedia and read all about them. They are, right now, literally doing, and doing so quite successfully, what people here are saying is completely impossible and the worst idea ever. And then you point this out, and they say it wouldn't work, and you ask why. No real answer there, but pretty much the only reason it doesn't work is because a large portion of people do not want it to work. A nice self fulfilling prophecy. Last edited by CutterJohn; 2012-04-05 at 11:07 AM. |
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2012-04-05, 12:07 PM | [Ignore Me] #13 | |||||
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You're right that moving them all to the US would be a state problem. The bigger problem is actually finding out if they have evidence against the people they take. That information is secret though meaning for many people there it's impossible to be released even if you are falsely accused. That and the whole torture thing. Basically if you have to hold people in another country because what you're doing is so unethical then you probably are doing it wrong. I think everyone else refuted most of the conservative talking points so I'll not reiterate those, but this one always irks me because people are so misinformed about it. I'm kind of surprised Malorn fell for the giving money to rich helps the poor succeed in the economy. There has been no supporting evidence for that. You would only gain that viewpoint from reading opinionated conservative media.
Also as mentioned a lot of healthcare related things are random occurrences that destroy one's savings. This happens on a daily basis with people that get their appendix removed. Even with insurance it can often cost up to $8K dollars. I believe it's around $20K-40K without insurance and that's assuming you get out of the hospital as soon as it's over and rest at home. (Meaning only staying for like 10 hours). I have amazing insurance because of where my dad works and I still paid $1K dollars after a surgery. I was only there for 3 hours. Quick walk in got knocked out in like 20 minutes and went under the knife then woke up and was wheelchaired out the door where my mom was waiting. (Couldn't drive since I was still out of it). That was a surgery that happened in a matter of a week from when I met a doctor about the problem. On top of that I had to pay like a 10 dollar deductible for the following 2 follow-ups to get the stiches removed which wasn't a problem, but seemed a bit odd since I've never seen a deductible that low. (I've only been sick like 3 times in my life and never been to a hospital before that point so maybe it's really common). I'm hoping within our lifetime we don't have to deal with that, but I think it might be impossible convincing people that healthcare should be a right. For now Obamacare seems to be the most agreeable solution.
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