Does anyone else think that bases need to be redesigned?

EVILoHOMER · 2013-07-09, 07:24 PM

I find it funny how we asked for it in Planetside and it never happened, I think the most SOE ever did was add a force field to one base per island or something like that. Now really IMO Planetside 2 needs it as well because bases are actually worse than in Planetside. What myths me though is how they're so giant, but really that is just eye candy because there is hardly any floor plan to them. What SOE could have done is made them into little cities, instead they're basically walls with huts.

They're impossible to defend, I think it's a combo of bad design, with hot dropping and that teleporter that is always ages away from the base that leads right into it. Really all that ever happens is you get spawn camped so you go somewhere else where the fighting is fun. It's not fun for the attacking side either, you come up to the base, the enemy gives up, goes somewhere else and you're stuck there watching the spawns while people fire fireworks and you wait for the countdown timer.

The problem is vehicles can just dominate them and then you just have a cluster fuck inside the tiny floor plan so you have no freedom to move without dying. At least in Planetside the base design had space to them and you could set up defences. Even better though you could just kill the tubes so you don't have to stick around for so long.

I was really hoping for bases to be dense and infantry focused like a normal FPS map, they'd be little cities where vehicles couldn't get around so easily with lots of buildings and places to go. Instead we got what might as well be in a skybox....

I would really love for SOE to redesign the bases one by one. I really think the amp station just needs a roof on it, it's got quite a lot of space inside to be a big complex, sadly it's just dominated by the air. I think that's the simplest to fix as it's the best functioning if it just had a roof. Other bases like the biolab are just a mess and need a total redesign.

DirtyBird · 2013-07-09, 07:26 PM

What is your characters name in game?

ChipMHazard · 2013-07-09, 07:27 PM

They are going to redesign the bases.

BlazingSun · 2013-07-15, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

They are going to redesign the bases.

They will just try to make some cheap changes to the existing bases and towers, which is like putting lipstick on a pig, as the fundamental flaws don't get adressed. The bases are the worst thing in this game - they should have been put in the trash and redesigned from zero by someone who has a clue.

Baneblade · 2013-07-15, 09:27 AM

I hope they give us futuristic castles tbh.

And no, I am not kidding.

EVILoHOMER · 2013-07-19, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I hope they give us futuristic castles tbh.

And no, I am not kidding.

It would be nice, like having the feeling of a full on assault. We need a bottleneck, right now by the time you get to the battle, everyone is moving on and it feels like a race from base to base.

camycamera · 2013-07-15, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

They are going to redesign the bases.

i would really love to know where you heard this, because i haven't heard anything from the devs regarding base redesign/ spawn room redesign.

ChipMHazard · 2013-07-16, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by camycamera

i would really love to know where you heard this, because i haven't heard anything from the devs regarding base redesign/ spawn room redesign.

One of their videos where they showed the changes they are going to be making to bases. High walls, more bridges, more cover inside etc. Nothing to the extent that some people want of course.
Should also note that by base I don't mean the main building.

camycamera · 2013-07-16, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

One of their videos where they showed the changes they are going to be making to bases. High walls, more bridges, more cover inside etc. Nothing to the extent that some people want of course.
Should also note that by base I don't mean the main building.

oh yeah, i remember that video. but aren't they only doing those bases on esamir, and aren't they completely new ones, not redesigned ones?

ChipMHazard · 2013-07-16, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by camycamera

oh yeah, i remember that video. but aren't they only doing those bases on esamir, and aren't they completely new ones, not redesigned ones?

They will probably take the experience to other bases, especially when it comes to new continents. From what I remember it was part of the revamping Esamir for the lattice system so I guess it would be the old bases as well, the ones they keep that is.

SerethiX · 2013-07-09, 07:30 PM

I agree with you in some point, why the Bio lab needs a redesign? I think they made gameplay in biolabs a great fun.

Amp stations and techplants surely need to be redesigned. What they did at The Stronghold is a step into the right direction, but it's still not perfect, the tunnel seems pretty white washed and offers only a little cover...

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Crator · 2013-07-09, 07:38 PM

Well, they are going to put those dome shields in. Should help out a lot at those open bases. They added tunnels since the game came out and that was good but I don't think enough people use them. As for the comment about killing the tubes, they actually added that to Biolabs not long ago. So you not only kill the tubes but the spawn room doors go down eventually and you can rush in and kill all that are left. The only problem left is that they still make you wait around until a capture timer finishes to get XP. You can't just leave the hex and get XP if you were there. I wish they'd make the capture XP variable, based on how much fighting you participated in and could move outside of the hex after the fight is over and still get XP when the capture goes through.

DarkBalths · 2013-07-09, 07:48 PM

I'm hoping that the base that it looks like they're adding to Esamir, The Octagon, will be the kind of facility like the Stronghold where you have to go inside. Imagine the stronghold but with an actual roof (NOT a dome shield, those are dumb.)
That would be great.

Timithos · 2013-07-09, 10:14 PM

Yes. Bases need to be changed. And a pro-defender mentality needs to be re-adopted. What good is a facility if ownership of it does not allow you to defend while out-numbered? SOE has been stripping away defender advantages, and the turning point was about March. They want Steamrollside, and facilities to change hands fluidly. I big reason for this is esports. Well now that they've developed an arena for their esports, maybe they can focus on base design that isn't wrecked by esports.

We've seen enhancements for defenders. We didn't have much of any walls in the beginning. As time marches on we keep getting more walls, and more overhead cover, and blast plates to protect against shells, but it is still designed wrong. And those dome shields coming as they are currently designed are actually more pro-attacker. We'll have attackers bringing in superior air domination, and then once that is done, they'll be throwing picnics on top of the shield waiting to drop off the edge at their leisure.

In base design we needs spawn rooms that are not big fish bowls sitting out in the open ready to be camped. We need underground spawning facilities, buildings within buildings, tunnels, closer proximity to capture points with relatively protected access avenues, trenches; walls that encompass the spawn/capture/vehicle terminal/generators, not obstruct them. Spawn rooms need multiple exits that are WAY spread out. A tunnel this way, a trench that way, etc. If attackers want to "camp" a facility spawn, they have to cover 3, 4, 5, 6+ egresses spread out over 100-150 meters per area at EVERY facility. We need walls that have crates and catwalks on the DEFENDER'S side only.

We need some pro-defender mechanics back into the game. Anyone can overload a generator, but only a defending engineer can fix it! HOW MUCH SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? It makes no sense, because SOE stopped being pro-facility/pro-defender. How about this? ONLY an infiltrator or engineer (not both) can over-load a generator? OH MY SO RADICAL!

We need mechanics like, defending max's can resecure a capture point, but attacking max's can't. Or defending engineers can deploy a turret and cap the point at the same time, but attacking engineers can't.

There are no cover mechanics. Crouch behind a crate, or on top of a building with just your head exposed? You just give the enemy a more focused spot to give you a critical head shot - no damage reduction provided for cover at all.

And ghost hacking! Good gosh they haven't put anything in place to stop that. Even on Indar, if you stumble into a facility on the lattice alone, you can flip the point and LEAVE!

How about this? Defenders can flip their points and leave to DEFEND. Attackers CAN'T! They must keep someone on the point in order for it to maintain the hack. WALLA! Solves ghost hacking too!

I could go on, and on, and on...

Timithos · 2013-07-09, 10:25 PM

I'd also like to see some of the old capture point mechanics come back, like requiring multiple attackers to stay on point to capture the facility faster. But this time while the defenders can see who is on point, the attackers can't! It's not their facility! Why would they get access to that information? DUH!