Aircraft Flares

Zulthus · 2012-05-19, 05:56 PM

I've noticed a lot of people talking about the flares on aircraft, and whether the universal launcher will have the same reload time as the refresh on the flares.

I propose a fix to this.

For those of you who haven't played ARMA, they have a flare system where you start with a set amount (let's say 30) and they have a chance of warding off enemy missiles. The more you use, the more likely you are to survive.

The system would work something like that. Obviously, you can't have a large amount of flares to where you can just keep spamming them, but I'd say 30-50 would be a good amount per aircraft.

This way, your missile still has a chance to hit the aircraft. It also prevents the badly implemented faster refresh of flares compared to AA launchers. It's fair for both sides... the aircraft's flares don't recharge but there isn't a delay on using them, and the infantry still has a chance of hitting the target.

Thoughts?

Stardouser · 2012-05-19, 06:05 PM

Another possible thing, that's not realistic but would prevent overpowered aircraft, is if flares will only break the lock of a certain number of AA launchers. ie, if flares will break a max of 3 locks, and 4 guys are firing at you, 1 is guaranteed to get through.

But I'm not sure why we should worry about balancing it properly, people want AA infantry to own aircraft on a 1 to 1 basis...

Toppopia · 2012-05-19, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

I've noticed a lot of people talking about the flares on aircraft, and whether the universal launcher will have the same reload time as the refresh on the flares.

I propose a fix to this.

For those of you who haven't played ARMA, they have a flare system where you start with a set amount (let's say 30) and they have a chance of warding off enemy missiles. The more you use, the more likely you are to survive.

The system would work something like that. Obviously, you can't have a large amount of flares to where you can just keep spamming them, but I'd say 30-50 would be a good amount per aircraft.

This way, your missile still has a chance to hit the aircraft. It also prevents the badly implemented faster refresh of flares compared to AA launchers. It's fair for both sides... the aircraft's flares don't recharge but there isn't a delay on using them, and the infantry still has a chance of hitting the target.

Thoughts?

Only if... They look like this

Imagine at night time seeing a galaxy or something looking like that. Amazing!!

Zulthus · 2012-05-19, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Toppopia

Only if... They look like this

Imagine at night time seeing a galaxy or something looking like that. Amazing!!

That's pretty much the idea. The galaxy would obviously have flares more like that because it's a bigger aircraft and needs more protection against missiles. Man, that would be amazing at night...

Freevoi · 2012-05-19, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Toppopia

Only if... They look like this

Imagine at night time seeing a galaxy or something looking like that. Amazing!!

i second this motion. could be possible aswell

FastAndFree · 2012-05-19, 06:46 PM

I'm not sure this is a good idea given how easy it is to resupply an aircraft

I could just keep spamming flares during my attack run and never be harmed by missiles, the only downside being that I would need to fly back to an air tower/Sunderer more often

Zulthus · 2012-05-19, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

I'm not sure this is a good idea given how easy it is to resupply an aircraft

That's the little problem here. I can't really think of a solution... it wouldn't be fair to the pilots to not be able to resupply, but it wouldn't be fair to the infantry if they just have unlimited flares...

Maybe they could cost a small amount of resources after you use the ones that came with the aircraft?

Purple · 2012-05-19, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

That's the little problem here. I can't really think of a solution... it wouldn't be fair to the pilots to not be able to resupply, but it wouldn't be fair to the infantry if they just have unlimited flares...

Maybe they could cost a small amount of resources after you use the ones that came with the aircraft?

and its unfair to the pilots that infantry can run back and grab more missiles! besides things like turrets and the TR max will teal aircraft apart.

Bromaxulon · 2012-05-19, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

That's the little problem here. I can't really think of a solution... it wouldn't be fair to the pilots to not be able to resupply, but it wouldn't be fair to the infantry if they just have unlimited flares...

Maybe they could cost a small amount of resources after you use the ones that came with the aircraft?

You guys seem to forget that their are direct fire weapons that are designed to take down aircraft that completely ignore flares and other A.M.S.

Flare system only protects pilots from half the threats, this is not a problem and does not need to be modified or limited from what the current system is, which (i assume) is giving the pilot a limited number of flares with the ability to resupply them.

Toppopia · 2012-05-19, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

I'm not sure this is a good idea given how easy it is to resupply an aircraft

I could just keep spamming flares during my attack run and never be harmed by missiles, the only downside being that I would need to fly back to an air tower/Sunderer more often

Which means you are out of the fight for a longer time so the infantry has done his job, keeping aircraft away from the battle. So that is not over powered, its just you not being careful with your limited resources and you could last much longer if you paced yourself but you chose to be spammy with them and are no more useless in the fight. So problem solved.

Zulthus · 2012-05-19, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Toppopia

Which means you are out of the fight for a longer time so the infantry has done his job, keeping aircraft away from the battle. So that is not over powered, its just you not being careful with your limited resources and you could last much longer if you paced yourself but you chose to be spammy with them and are no more useless in the fight. So problem solved.

This actually makes sense. You don't necessarily need to destroy the aircraft with ground AA, just keep him on his toes. Let your team's aircraft take them out. Infantry will just be good for keeping them away and being annoying.

SixShooter · 2012-05-20, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

I'm not sure this is a good idea given how easy it is to resupply an aircraft

I could just keep spamming flares during my attack run and never be harmed by missiles, the only downside being that I would need to fly back to an air tower/Sunderer more often

This is why I love that the lightning and MBT's will be able to spec with AA flak guns. I don't like using lock in weapons for that exact reason. It's too easy to loose a lock due to flares or just loosing line of sight or whatever. The skyguard was one of favorite vehicle to gun when we were running armor columns.

Purple · 2012-05-19, 06:15 PM

i have played a game like to this. it is a great system. you can risk the missles getting very close but that often dident work well.

captainkapautz · 2012-05-19, 07:08 PM

Meh, as long as Scythe and Mosquito, no idea about Reaver, can out run the missile under full burner I'd rather have aircraft randomly explode whenever they drop flares or activate afterburner.
Small chance, like 40-50%, higher if you do both flares and burner at the same time, like 90%.

Biscuit · 2012-05-19, 07:15 PM

want to add that flares should be most effective if the aircraft is in a good amount of speed vs. a hovering aircraft.