Budget cuts! HAHAHA NO RIFLE FOR YOU!

[AztecWarrior]

I read that due to budget cuts, there aren't enough rifles to go around.

Stop looking at Russia on the map. This is happening in the US of A.

Captured AK-47s are being used by tank crews because there aren't enough M4s.

Some like it better, the whole spray and pray deal. However, we have people in the line of fire without fucking guns! All some tank crews have are like one M4 and an M9 (Beretta 92F) pistol.

I also have a Small Arms Review showing the New Jersey National Guard. Due to budget cuts, they are still using Vietnam-era M60s and M119 tin can troop carriers, as opposed to the new M2 Bradleys that are needed.

Dude, I just don't want to know about the poor fucker who is IN the M119 and doesn't have a rifle, just a pistol.

So please. Don't live in New Jersey, and don't just think budget increases for the military are evil democratik imperialism.

[Everay]

whats wrong with the AK47? its like one of the best assault rifles ever made. but yea, that sucks.

[AztecWarrior]

Originally Posted by Everay

whats wrong with the AK47? its like one of the best assault rifles ever made. but yea, that sucks.

I watched this M16 (old type) vs AK-47 show on the History Channel. They are very, very different. And keep in mind that these AKs are old as hell.

[Everay]

yea, i agree, theyre different, but i saw the same show (i think) and in it i saw a AK47 round rip through concrete, and the old m16 couldnt.


old as hell....good point, though, you gotta realize, theyre pretty strong, but i dunno how the age would affect them

[Squeeky]

Also keep in mind the weapons are very different. And these men and women aren't trained to use foreign weapons. That's like being a pilot, and being trained to fly an F-18, then being expected to go up in an F-14 and fight a war. It's gonna be tough

[Squick]

I hate to sound like a sheep, but I am pretty sure I saw that same special... Wasn't that the one that condemned the M16 and M4 because of how often they jam... And how they are more on the "rifle" side of the assault rifle equation... Where as the AK47 was more of the machinegun type gun, and it was nearly impossible to get it to jam?

The reason I was thinking about that was Lynch said her gun jammed and no one could free it... Usefull gun...

[Zodiac]

News link or this is bullshit, and it already reaks of it.

No way would the US Army put one of our boys out there without a weapon. If any thing, the ammount of troops deployed would most likely be effected by a budget cut, not the ammount of equipment that was issued.

[arctik]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

News link or this is bullshit, and it already reaks of it.

No way would the US Army put one of our boys out there without a weapon. If any thing, the ammount of troops deployed would most likely be effected by a budget cut, not the ammount of equipment that was issued.

[Bighoss]

I saw this show as well. It says the M16 was more of a rifle and the AK47 was more of a machine gun. The AK rarely jams but stuff can still go in and effect the accuracy but they can still shoot which is good. The M16 is more a of precision gun while the AK47 is just spray and kill.

I read somewhere that the government is expiermenting with this rifle that uses magnets to speed up bullets like 10x as fast. When the bullets hit something it just fucking explodes!!! Maybe there holding out until those things are the norm.

Did anyone see the show where they explain this system that allows this computer attached to the gun and helmet of the soldier aim so perfectly that it was like able to hit an asprin like 100 yards away?

[Everay]

well, yea, i think were all talking about the same show...strange. about the magnetic rifle thing, thats a rail gun, expect to see it on tanks by the year 2012, thank god, itll be replacing the Depleted Urnaium shells we currently use.

[TekDragon]

M-16 is a precision assault rifle meant for medium to long range combat in open areas.

AK-47 is a "spray-n-pray" meant for enclosed areas where the large-ish clip can be used to saturate an area. In addition, an AK-47 is good in intence environmental areas. They can be dropped from a 2 story building, thrown into water, have the water freeze, take it out, throw it around a few more times, thaw it, then unload the full clip with no problems.

[EDIT] The point of this is (for those without reading comprehencion) that, for soldiers in the Iraq campaign where close urban combat is common - the AK-47 is preferable, even if there were enough M-16's to go around.

[Mtx]

When you go to war.. you bring your rifle with you. You're issued a weapon the moment you enter your very first station. There may not be a ton of M4s but there sure as hell are enough M16s to go around. What do you think we did with allt he M16s after Clinton reduced the military? "Well we have to kick you out but what the hell, soldier. Take the gun with you. Maybe join the post office freaks."

[Ait'al]

I think that may be because they havent finished getting the new guns to everyone and my have run into budget cuts that are slowing htem down. As in this is and upgrade of arms not a general lack of them. Like putting 20,000 F-22 raptors into service by 2005 and saying, ohh no, those poor F16 pilots.They just recently changed the weapons to the new ones. We havent exactly been useing hte electronic site scope shit with the veiw going to your eye peice for the last 30 years. They were stil decideing and revamping the design like a year or 2 ago. Not to mention they all cost so much damn more than the weapons we usually chose to switch too. Even the cheapend versions of then. Except maybe for some of the rifles in hte 1800's. Or so they say. lol As those in the Air force know, if we didnt over price we couldnt have new toys.

Squeeky useing training for guns is jsut learning there recoil and the where the safety is in terms of complication! Its not like learning all the shit on an F-18. There are basic designs to guns that make them easy to switch between, a thousand times easier if your just shooting htem. The F-18 and other planes in our military you have learn codes and how some idiot decided to over protect the controls for useing a sidewinder. Though there a damn good deterent. 8)IE alot of technical crap with in a system with no specific design feature to help you figure them out because it would make it easier for the enemy or other countries to figure it out. Not to mention all the other things there designed for.
There no comparison between a Fighter Bomber and a Gun.

And we dont use depleted Uranium shells! We tried it in hte first Gulf War. which has been declasified and Admitted to be the cause of Gulf War syndrome. We stopped because they cause radiation to go everywhere adn hurt us and everyone else who goes near them for the next 10,000 years. We were planning stuff for them for ever even after the gulf war but we werent going ot use them.
The versions after were either the Pentigon trying to get them into service since what the Gulf War syndrome thing wasnt declasified to cover there asses or because it had other basic design features in the tanks like it being part rail gun, which was the real design they wanted to use. But we dont use them. We just use some advanced anti armor shells not that use a physical design and faster velocity to pentrate shit, and some old fashion explosive tips or afterchages to blow the insides of tanks they hit.

[Everay]

umm, yes, we do use them, i was watching the history channel, mail call, and the gunny went out to check out tanks, and they showed two diffrent types of rounds, the plain ol hit and break the enemys tanks armor, was the depleted uranium shell, ten times as dense as iron, and the other was a incindeary shell.

[ZeusCali]

your comparying some one in the army with some on who watched the history channel
HISTORY as in they dont use em any more think boy and dont think u know more then the person IN the military