my guide, why deleted?

Blacktea · 2004-03-15, 04:45 AM

I have posted a guide here in sincere hope that it will help severeal players like myself, who had only limited access to any sniping gameplay information when they started playing PS. I have spent 5 horus writing the guide and I dont regret that time.
A mate of mine called me at nigh that someone accused me of copying his guide... The only guide I have ever read on sniping is the lone gunman on official PS website. Now I cant find my work even with search option, so I suppose it was deleted. Why?

I do not bitch, I do not whine that contribution that I have put into this website to help other players was destroyed without even consulting me. What surprizes me is the course of action the peson responsible for this forum and my thread took, perhaps just because someone claimed that I have copyet it from him.

have a nice day

Jaged · 2004-03-15, 05:18 AM

Your guide was surprisingly similar to his. Do you have an explanation for this?

Blacktea · 2004-03-15, 05:51 AM

Well order how to write a sniping guide is quite similar for everyone I think. As I have said, only guide that I ever read was on the official site. It is similar to mine in some aspects because explaining certifications and equipment can hardly be done in any other way and I have traded originality for clear explanation. The format is similar, that is all.
The official guide does not include
a) detailed positioning tactics
b) targeting and sniping tricks
c) survival stuff
or only in very vague way.

I CLEARLY STATE AGAIN THAT I HAVE NEVER READ ANY OTHER GUIDE ON SNIPING.

If any person feels that I wrote something like he did, or even that I have copied it from him (which I did not) I am open to discussion.
I would expect that before my thread is deleted, am at least asked about genuity of my work. I would also be in favor of helping each other (me and another author) to make our guides as good as possible, because the intent of writing them (as I hope) is to help other people, not establish oneself.
I therefore protest against they way how my attempt to help other players was dealt with. I hope you will not take this in any offensive way, but as mature attempt to clarify the problem.

Ninamven/LadyMercedes (WERNER)

BigFreak · 2004-03-15, 06:34 AM

It is similar to mine in some aspects because explaining certifications and equipment can hardly be done in any other way and I have traded originality for clear explanation. The format is similar, that is all.

Can I ask how you know which bits are similar, if you haven't read it?

Blacktea · 2004-03-15, 07:33 AM

Please read again what I have written:

"As I have said, only guide that I ever read was on the official site. It is similar to mine in some aspects ..."

I was talking about official guide.

again: I have never read any other guide than the official one. Period.

edit: I have not ever read that another authors post about my guide being similar. I had no chance to react. That is what I am concerned about. I am also concerned about the fact that altough I have made some effort to help new players I get only negative feedback from this boards.

SecondRaven · 2004-03-15, 08:40 AM

You stole his guide blacktea plane and simple...now get over it and go write one for real this time

Blacktea · 2004-03-15, 09:01 AM

I did not steal his guide, have you read mine? did you? can you compare?
If admins are so quick to delete my posts, what about if they look into my log history on this site and see that I have not logged on for weeks. For weks I did not play PS. Now I returned and wrote guide for my new outfit. I tought It would be good idea to post it here.

Jesus I had enough flaming and boards wars when I played ultima online , did not expect that stuff in here, where Id think most players are 15+.

SilverLord · 2004-03-15, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by SecondRaven

You stole his guide blacktea plane and simple...now get over it and go write one for real this time

Dude, I didn't read the other guide made by the other player but you need to calm down and let BlackTea, the other author, and the PSU staff figure it out before you start assuming things.

F**king annoying when people do that.

Electrofreak · 2004-03-15, 10:25 AM

Blacktea, I am Electrofreak, and I've written a sniper guide and completed it several weeks back. I've given it to the PSU staff to post onto the website, but they've been busy and haven't gotten it up. Eager to get some response on my guide before it was published, I posted a link to a rough version of the guide in IRC chat a week or so ago, and let a few people check it out. Your guide is so amazingly similar to mine in so many ways, I simply find it hard to believe that you did not plagiarize my work. Yesterday, I put up the full version of my guide so that the PSU community could compare mine to yours and see the similarties. The PSU staff then reviewed both guides, and deleted yours on the suspicion that it was plagiarized material.

Look, I'm going to give you the chance to explain yourself, but you must realize, there are WAY too many similarities between my guide and yours, and the chances that it is just a coincidence seem pretty small. I worked on my guide for almost a month, it was my project. I've been waiting for it to be published, and let some people have a peek at it while it is in the process of being put up. Then I come onto the forums yesterday and see someone with a guide that for all intents and purposes appears to be a ripoff of mine. I think you could understand how I feel.

Simply provide us with evidence that your material is 100% original work, and I'm sure the PSU staff will allow you to re-post your guide.

SilverLord · 2004-03-15, 10:29 AM

ElectroFreak, are you here to make a name for yourself and get a title or help newbs with sniping?

Electrofreak · 2004-03-15, 10:29 AM

PS: Silverlord (and others), SecondRaven saw my guide before Blacktea ever posted his, as well as many others. Numerous people (including PSU Staff) have compared the guides, and pretty much everyone agrees with my sentiment that my work has been copied. Almost anyone who is a regular on IRC chat knows that I've been working on the guide, and quite a few of those had seen the preview of the guide I posted in chat, so I have quite a few people who will vouch for me.

Electrofreak · 2004-03-15, 10:34 AM

Silverlord, my guide is massive. I spent weeks working on it. I went in game and extensively tested things, and took numerous pictures. A great deal of work went into it. I would like to recieve credit for all the hard work I've accomplished. I'm not being unreasonable. If Blacktea can provide evidence that he didn't plagiarize my work, I will apologize to him and everything. I'm not trying to make a name for myself, or destroy Blacktea's reputation. I just want to be sure that someone else isnt taking credit for my hard work.

PS: Here, I'll provide a link to my guide. If Blacktea will be so kind as to post a link of his own, you can compare for yourself.

Electrofreak's Sniper Guide

easypickings · 2004-03-15, 11:25 AM

i could not see you link as i am at work and it wont let me open many files here,

but i do feel really sorry for blacktea, as he sounds as though he is telling the truth.
as i say i cant look at your site but to be honest how many ways are there to be a sniper ?

it's mostly just common sence.

i do understand that you have gone above and beyond simply saying just poke your head out, and set up defence or which back up weapons to use e.t.c
i can tell you have put a lot of work and time in to it.
i will look at you guide when i get home as i am very interested in it.

p.s im not tring to say anything bad about your guide or blacktea's guide just that if he is inocent i feel very sorry for the guy.

Strygun · 2004-03-15, 12:25 PM

The previous guide that was posted by Blacktea was deleted because it had turned into a flamewar, just like this thread.

The PSU Staff have decided to remain neutral in this dispute, because it is not our business to intervene. Electrofreak and Blacktea, you two need to get on IRC together, or use forum PMs to set this straight. Here's something to chew on: How about both of you collaborate and write a guide between the both of you. You both claim to have extensive knowledge to sniping, so maybe the guide written by both of you will be even better than the ones written by yourselves.

Again, the PSU staff will remain neutral in this. We will say, however, that we have received a copy of Electrofreak's guide and we plan on publishing on our website within the next few days.

Any questions can be directed to myself or hamma, via forum PM or IRC chat.

GreyFox · 2004-03-16, 07:45 PM

Blacktea, I apologize for accusing you in that other thread, but it really did seem like you had copied it.

Sorry