Some good PS ideas.

Kam · 2004-05-21, 12:48 AM

1. What are missing from this game are the artillery cannons, the regular kind. I think what should be done is remove some of the bases that there are two of on a continent and create something like the fire support bases of Vietnam. The idea is simple. You have three large (160mm-220mm) artillery cannons in a triangle formation surrounded by high walls. The entirety of the actual walk in base would be underground, and there would be no vehicle terminals. The three cannons can rotate 360 degrees and move up and down between 30 and 90 degrees. There would only be one of these per continent and they would be near or in the center, so they could cover the entirety of said continent. Only CR 3-5 would be able to use these artillery pieces.
2. They need to add pull able artillery. Meaning, a harasser or vehicle like it, could pull a 100mm artillery piece behind it. It would then disconnect from said vehicle and deploy as a stationary gun that can rotate 180 degrees and move up and down 30 to 90 degrees. This could shoot different rounds depending on what the target is.
3. A third kind of structure is needed. There are the towers and main bases, but there is nothing in-between them. There should be medium sized bases that are small and well defended. Also, there should be bases on the tops of mountains that are only reachable by air vehicles and artillery fire (no orbital strikes either).
4. Another full sized continent is needed in the upper right corner (look on the world map).

I might have more later, tell me what you think. No flaming.

Warborn · 2004-05-21, 01:57 AM

You need to provide actual justification for your ideas. Why does there need to be an artillery spot? I think Planetside has enough impersonal, skilless ways to gain kills as is. This would only compound the issue of flails and liberations simply unloading ordinance and killing people without any real thought put into it. Similar arguments can be applied to your other recommendations. If there "needs" to be something, elaborate on why you feel it's important.

Cryptica · 2004-05-21, 09:17 AM

I agree. The ideas aren't entirely bad, and could even be cool in some cases (I like the new medium-sized base thing), but I don't see enough justification for the artillary. I get killed by friendly flails almost as often as I do by enemy flails.

SilverLord · 2004-05-21, 09:52 AM

The ideas arn't bad at all but I support the medium sized bases inbetween towers and bases much more than more artilery pieces.

Lartnev · 2004-05-21, 02:28 PM

I like the medium sized base idea a lot

The artillery ideas aren't really something I'd really want, people complain about the flail as it is

And the gap in the top right is for the chat window to go, SmokeJumper said so

Kam · 2004-05-21, 03:07 PM

Well the thing about actual artillery is that it's not always a one hit kill scenario like the flail, especially the pull able artillery pieces. Also the CR's would not get xp for using the large artillery pieces.

scarpas · 2004-05-21, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kam

Well the thing about actual artillery is that it's not always a one hit kill scenario like the flail, especially the pull able artillery pieces. Also the CR's would not get xp for using the large artillery pieces.

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Warborn · 2004-05-21, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kam

Well the thing about actual artillery is that it's not always a one hit kill scenario like the flail, especially the pull able artillery pieces. Also the CR's would not get xp for using the large artillery pieces.

It doesn't matter if it's one hit kill or not. Right now combat in Planetside is for the most part reliant on weapons which take minimal skill to use to good effect. Tanks, Reavers, Heavy Assault weapons, Flails, Liberators, etc, all can be used to get a lot of kills by people who are mediocre at best. The last thing I would want to see is even more things which exacerbate the problem by making more ways to kill lot's of people that are stupid-simple.

Kam · 2004-05-21, 05:07 PM

I'm not saying this would be easy. The big pieces can only be used by high level CR's and they require a spotter, plus there would only be three per continent. The pullable artillery pieces would have thier own cert and it would take time and skill to set them up in a good spot. These pullable pieces also offer no protection to the user and can be hacked. They would not need a spotter.

Headrattle · 2004-05-21, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

It doesn't matter if it's one hit kill or not. Right now combat in Planetside is for the most part reliant on weapons which take minimal skill to use to good effect. Tanks, Reavers, Heavy Assault weapons, Flails, Liberators, etc, all can be used to get a lot of kills by people who are mediocre at best. The last thing I would want to see is even more things which exacerbate the problem by making more ways to kill lot's of people that are stupid-simple.

All of those weapons take skill. In some cases a lot of skill. While, not as much skill as a sniper, they do take skill.

Reducing the game down to snipers and medium assult wouldn't make for a fun game.

Warborn · 2004-05-21, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Headrattle

All of those weapons take skill. In some cases a lot of skill. While, not as much skill as a sniper, they do take skill.

Reducing the game down to snipers and medium assult wouldn't make for a fun game.

Everything takes a degree of skill, that should be a given. What I mean is that there is very little room for improvement with these vehicles/weapons, and that even a very poor player can do well with them simply because of how they're designed. Maybe I'm being elitist, but I think weapons which are easy to pick up and shoot but have enough quirks to them that it leaves a lot of room for improvement would be ideal. For example, HA weapons have large clips, large areas of effect (lasher orbs lashing, jackhammer/mcg spray), don't require you to control your fire to maintain accuracy, and are literally unmatched by any other weapons an infantryman can carry indoors. There is very little room for someone to improve in the field of actually firing a HA weapon effectively, because they're such simple weapons to use already.

So that's what I don't want to see more of. Weapons that any idiot could jump into, point, click, and score kills with a degree of frequency. Once upon a time HA weapons blew and people used MA a hell of a lot, and unlike now, you had to actually be reasonably good at firing a weapon to kill someone. PS was a lot more fun back then.

Lartnev · 2004-05-22, 08:08 AM

VS weapons are not I don't honestly understand your argument Wartorn? That we shouldn't add new weapons because any person can get kills with it?

And believe it or not, some of the VS weapons do take skill to use.

Warborn · 2004-05-22, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kam

Then why do you play PS, cause that's what everything is like. Especially the VS weapons.

<3 bolt driver

Plus I have faith that the developers will improve things eventually. I am very pleased with their most recent announcements.

Originally Posted by Lartnev

VS weapons are not I don't honestly understand your argument Wartorn? That we shouldn't add new weapons because any person can get kills with it?

My argument is that they shouldn't add more weapons which require virtually no skill by the weapon's user in order to gain kills at a reasonable rate. As I've said previously. PS is plagued with weapons that are simply to pick up and simple to master. There needs to be more stuff that takes a while to really get the hang of, and always has a lot of room for improvement with.

Though I hate to use it as an example, Counter-strike is extremely popular because it is so dependent on skill. Anyone can pick up a weapon, point it, and shoot it at someone, but the real pros know how to control their fire with specific weapons (as they all differ) and get headshots frequently due to their exceptional aim built up over lot's of practice. You can play it for years and still get better at the game. For most of Planetside's weapons, if you used them for years, you'd probably be pretty bored with it after a while. If Planetside didn't have weapons which were so easy to pick up, point, shoot, and get kills with despite having little skill yourself (HA weapons chiefly), I think it would be better.

Kam · 2004-05-22, 03:40 PM

It will never happen, the devs take to long to do anything.

Warborn · 2004-05-22, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Kam

It will never happen, the devs take to long to do anything.

I like to be more optimistic. But I think the key is actually getting the message across. Plus, there's no guarentee the general playerbase would go for drastic changes to HA and some other vehicles. People may be too infatuated with these easy to use weapons which give them the perception that they're talented because they are getting numerous kills, and may resist the changes.

Anyway, this thread is derailed, and I apologize for that. Let's try to steer it back to your ideas and away from my opinions.