Jesus LOVES YOU!

Dharkbayne · 2004-08-21, 07:12 PM

http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html

Is this shit real? I know it's old, so stfu.

GonePostal · 2004-08-21, 07:18 PM

omg...thats a big extreme...if its real

Firefly · 2004-08-21, 07:26 PM

Nice try, I'm Jewish. We killed your Lord.

GonePostal · 2004-08-21, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

Nice try, I'm Jewish. We killed your Lord.

nice try, im german...

Lonehunter · 2004-08-21, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by GonePostal

nice try, im german...

Yes but are you a Nazi?

When I saw the title of this thread I thought of the bumper sticker

JESUS LOVES YOU!
But everyone else thinks you're an asshole.

Spider · 2004-08-21, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by GonePostal

nice try, im german...

Damn you! I was too late to say it!

Sputty · 2004-08-22, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Firefly

Nice try, I'm Jewish. We killed your Lord.

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EarlyDawn · 2004-08-21, 07:28 PM

I feel bad for people like that. At some point, you need to be able to grasp that what is, is. The most common question (Where did the universe come from, if not from God) is often the most irrelevant.

Our reality is what is set before us. If nothing "created" God, why did something have to create the universe?

OfaLoaf · 2004-08-21, 07:32 PM

Dressing up Lamuel is fun!

Firefly · 2004-08-21, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

Our reality is what is set before us. If nothing "created" God, why did something have to create the universe?

What makes our G'd any different or more/less real than the gods of other religions? Ours says there is only one G'd. Theirs says there were more than one. Who's right? Us, because we survived and they didn't? Faith answers that for you - if you lack faith then you're already dead, so to speak.

For myself, I prefer to worship my own way instead of flinging it in peoples' faces about how happy-go-lucky Ultra-Religious I am. Yay, you're a smiling happy tree-hugging huggy-bear that loves everyone.

I'm an angry man who can kill people. Fuck off.

EarlyDawn · 2004-08-21, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

What makes our G'd any different or more/less real than the gods of other religions? Ours says there is only one G'd. Theirs says there were more than one. Who's right? Us, because we survived and they didn't? Faith answers that for you - if you lack faith then you're already dead, so to speak.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

Firefly, you seem to be a reasonable person when it comes to religion. I have no problem with people like you. I start to become enraged when I come across these religious fanatics who oppose progress. You appear to have no problem with human development, so I applaude you for not being a zealot.

The worst are orginizations who try to justify religion with science. Example: http://objective.jesussave.us/gametheory.html

Wtf?

It's when you cross that silent line where you see non-believers (regardless of your creed) as enemies that you become a threat to development.

Firefly · 2004-08-21, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

I was taking what you said, and going a step further. You said, loosely translated, what makes us think that nobody created G'd but it's impossible that no one created the universe? I said, what makes us think our G'd is the true G'd? The Greeks and Romans and Norsemen and every other post-archaic civilization thought their gods were the real-deal - hell, they even thought their emperors and kings were deities incarnate, but I digress. So why should our thoughts be any more correct or more-accurate than theirs?

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

Firefly, you seem to be a reasonable person when it comes to religion. I have no problem with people like you. I start to become enraged when I come across these religious fanatics who oppose progress. You appear to have no problem with human development, so I applaude you for not being a zealot.

I hate zealots. I hate assholes that fling their religion in my face because their figurehead told them to. If I wanted to be a friggin' Mormon, I would have converted - I don't need a bunch of short-sleeves-and-ties dudes proseletyzing at my door trying to sell Jesus to me. If I wanted to worship a guy with an enormous hat and the human mother of the so-called Son of G'd I would have become Catholic. You don't see Jewish people or devout/pious Islamic men and women or Buddhist monks and practicioners of Buddhism running around ringing doorbells at 7am on Saturday handing out leaflets and shedding crocodile tears of joy at the happiness that we've found. No - you sure don't, and you don't see massive temple-groups at Ari Goldstein concerts rocking out to contemporary Jewish praise songs (I made that name up, we don't have a Stephen Curtis Chapman or Carman or whatever).

So what, your religion is the only religion that gets you to heaven and you want everyone to be saved too. Guess what, clowns? My religion says I go because I'm a good little ***, and Hosam al Masry's religion says provided he doesn't break the Pillars of Islam and provided he lives his life according to the wisdom of Allah (another word for G'd for the ignorant) and His prophet Mohammed, he goes to heaven too. We all go, in our own way- so it comes down again to one simple thing - who's right? Me, you, or Hosam?

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

The worst are orginizations who try to justify religion with science. Example: http://objective.jesussave.us/gametheory.html

Wtf?

Well, I don't mind so much - whatever helps them make their case, provided they aren't blowing up children and large skyscrapers or putting people in lions' dens.

Originally Posted by GonePostal

nice try, im german...

And that means what to me? Not a goddamn thing. What does your nationality have to do with religion?