Abortion!

[Arshune]

Ok, I see a lot of back and forth debates on this forum, so I think I'll contribute one of my own.

How do you feel about abortion?

I personally feel life begins at conception, but WORTHWILE and VIABLE life does not begin until sentience is achieved (there's debate on that one too, but since humans can't relate intelligent thought until they can speak I'm gonna say that it's not until a child's first complete sentence.)

What do you all think of that? Think I'm on to something? Think I'm a pig? Well sound off, I'm mad bored and this is one of my favorite topics for discussion.

Oh yeah, if there was already a thread like this I apologize for making another one, but I didn't see one so

[Nohimn]

HAHAHA!! this reminds me of the official forums where I flamed a guy for trying to create a clan with the name "Abhortion" and the clan name "Abhortion".

Overall, abhortion is fine with me.

[SandTrout]

Nothing good can come of this thread. I am against abortion, but I wont give my reasons, because it will just spark the flames that this tread is feuling.

[Arshune]

I thought nothing good would come of the religion threads, but they stayed pretty decent for the most part.

[Nohimn]

no they didn't!! here's an example of a religion thread:

Person 1(curious): Well god does exist because....
Person 2(troll): That's stupid! You're stupid!
Person 3(troll: Shut up 2! You are a moron because ......
Person 4(troll): 2 and 3 are both wrong! ....
Person 5(spammer): STFU!!
Person 6(stupid): My, there are very different views on this topic.

[mistled]

I'll bite. I can handle the shitstorm.

The idea that you should be able to kill a baby as long as they haven't spoken a sentence yet is the sickest thing I've ever heard. I don't think I'll get flamed too much for that.
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According to science, organisms can be told apart by their DNA. I am different from my mother because our DNA is different. It is also true that a child's DNA is different from it's mother's at the moment of conception. (
Here's a link that says the fetus has different DNA, it's the quickest source I could find)

So if a woman has an abortion, she is killing a completely seperate human being. It's scientific fact. There honestly isn't anything to debate here.

[KeviN]

Yeah, but Arshnue, they can still convay thoughts and emotions. And, if you put it like that, that would mean you could somewhat legally kill a person that was born without the ability to talk. Or, a deaf person could kill everyone because they have never heard a sentence spoken. Catch my drift?

[�io]

The debate isn't (or shouldn't be) about if it is indeed taking someone else's life or not but rather is it a good thing?

When it comes to abortion i'm on the fence.

Positive side of abortion: It's better that a young run away have an abortion than dumb the kid 9 months later in some dumpster and let him freeze to death. Or what about a kid born from a rape, i think the mom doesn't want a reminder of that 24/7. Basically it can help save the baby and/or mother a lot of pain and trouble in certain bad circumstances. This may sound disturbing but nevertheless it also helps keep the already huge population down.

Negative side: It is indeed killing another human being even if it isn't concious yet. Said future being could have been the next picaso, mozart or enstein or simply be an unexpected source of joy after the mother thought she wasn't ready for it.

[mistled]

Dio, forget all of your positive sides to abortion. If you don't want the child, put it up for adoption. And don't anyone tell me that the adopted child would probably have to live a hard life, so it's a bad idea. When the choice is hard life or no life, I'll take a hard life anyday.

[Yuyi]

This is going to be the biggest thread in lounge yet, i predict.

[Lexington_Steele]

I think this can stay in the realm of intelligent discussion.

When I vote, it is pro-choice. When it comes to decisions regarding my family I am pro-life.

I think it is difficult to pinpoint when and where the human condition first begins.

Some would say conception and I would ask them why. There are many other animals that, genetic material wise, posess more complex and more developed fertilized egg than a newly fertilized human egg.

So if it is not the complexity of the creature at conception it must be that this fertilized egg has the potential to become a human. Well, if it is morally incorrect to end the potential of there being a human, then we run into a small problem. Every moment of every day we could be either inpregnating or becoming impregnated. At every moment we are ending the potential of there being human. So if the argument is that it is immoral to end a potential humans life, then we are obligated to be screwing and reproducing like rabbits.

Since it is tough to make a strong moral argument that pinpoints any particular moment where the human experience begins, I find it tough to impose an unwanted fetus upon a woman. I think it should be her choice. I am against second and third trimester abortions because the first trimester gives a woman plenty of time to make a choice.

[mistled]

nah, we're like 1800 behind the word association thread

[Yuyi]

erm 2nd longest

[�io]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
Dio, forget all of your positive sides to abortion. If you don't want the child, put it up for adoption. And don't anyone tell me that the adopted child would probably have to live a hard life, so it's a bad idea. When the choice is hard life or no life, I'll take a hard life anyday.

True but you can't ignore a hard life could be very hard, i mean i'd hate to get beaten by your dad every single day and be forced to do everything he says including wipping his ass with your bare hands, or being born with an IQ of 50 and only 1 arm and 1 leg. Or if you want to ignore that then ok here's another : Said future being could be the next Hitler, Osama or Saddam.


Oh and just to be clear as i said i'm 50-50 on abortion but i do agree with : "I think it should be her choice. I am against second and third trimester abortions because the first trimester gives a woman plenty of time to make a choice."

[mistled]

Lex, I thought you would be one to bring science to this. We define separate human entities by their DNA. The fetus has a separate DNA pattern; therefore, it is a separate person.