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2003-02-21, 08:25 AM | [Ignore Me] #1 | ||
Second Lieutenant
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USAF 4 Star Speaks Out
For those of you who don't know who General Hawley is, he is a newly-retired 4-star General who commanded the U.S. Air Force Air Combat Command. He recently delivered this speech, now that he's retired and no longer restricted to being politically correct, at the Air Force Association Annual Meeting: "Since the attack, I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such incredible and surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are: 1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the entire world would be a ghost town, and the United States would look like one giant line to see "The Producers. 2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." DEAD. D-E --Well, you get the idea. 3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community has failed us." For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all," they reasoned, "you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break'93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years. 4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds (I'm sorry, one of the "alleged hijackers," according to CNN-they stopped using the word "terrorist," you know), is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. At least, that was my excuse. It's the same today. Take the Anti-Global-Warming (or is it World Trade? Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell -they-want demonstrators) They all charged their black outfits and plane tickets on dad's credit card before driving to the airport in their SUV's. 5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't they just change their names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about it. How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly after that, I remember watching TV with my jaw on the floor as a government official actually said, "That little old grandmother from Sioux City could be carrying something." Okay, how about this: No, she couldn't. It would never be the grandmother from Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds? Winning a hundred Powerball lotteries in a row? A thousand? A million? And now a Secret Service guy has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly- - three times? And then left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them." SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists and bleeding-heart liberals get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "You First. No More Pearl Harbors."
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2003-02-21, 08:35 AM | [Ignore Me] #2 | ||
"No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "You First. No More Pearl Harbors."
I'm making that bumpre sticker tonight. That was one of the best speeches I've heard in a while. Apparently, common sense is still around.
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2003-02-21, 01:06 PM | [Ignore Me] #8 | ||
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Well excuse my bleeding heart for you guys, but Pearl Harbour was a military base, was it not? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities filled with innocent people, were they not? People still suffer from the radiation effects, not to mention the memory, of these two strikes.
U.S. bombed one, and then just 2 days later, they bombed the other. Was this really necessary? They didn't even try to talk to the Japanese. All they had to say was "You see what we have, and if you don't surrender, you're getting another one." I don't know about you, but if I was the Japanese, I would have surrendered. Did the U.S. give them this chance? No, they just dropped the next one. The death toll for those 2 bombs WAY surpasses the death toll of the WTC. Let me repeat. Pearl Harbour = military installation. Hiroshima and Nagasaki = INNOCENT lives. |
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2003-02-21, 01:10 PM | [Ignore Me] #9 | ||
Master Sergeant
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Oh, and as for what that 4 star said about the people in charge of those countries hurting all those innocents, the U.S. put the Taliban in charge. The U.S. got Saddam in charge. The U.S. has put countless "terrorists" in charge of countries. Why are they suddenly going after Iraq and not Osama? Why aren't they going after Korea which poses a more dangerous threat? Bush either wants more oil, or has a vendetta because Saddam tried to have Bush Sr. assassinated, but that's just my 2 cents, and with these oil prices, I can't buy a tank of gas with that.
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2003-02-21, 01:14 PM | [Ignore Me] #10 | ||
The japanese would never have surrendered, it was not in the mindset of their leaders. They lived by the code of honor, death before surrender, die for the divine emperor etc. Only reason they did surrender was because they witnessed the power of the american arsenal.
An invation of Japan would have ment the loss of more people combined than the 2 bombs... thousands more of american and japenese troopers would die. every city would be in ruin... civilians are always the biggest cassulaty in war. no i'm not american incase you wondered. |
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2003-02-21, 01:25 PM | [Ignore Me] #11 | ||
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Like you said, they DID surrender, The surrendered after they saw the might of the bomb. So was the second one really necessary?
Now what I don't understand is how people can praise the bomb being dropped on Japan, and then give Osama hell for what he did to the WTC. Osama feels he and his people are at war with America. He doesn't have nukes at his disposal, or even any F-18's, tanks, etc. He's got guys riding camels, hiding in caves, and packing guns older than I am. In that case, Osama's attack was pure military genius. He hit the states, and he hit them hard. Who cares if they were innocent people in those towers? They were expendable, collateral damage, and citizens of the country he is at war with. If you think the bombs were right, then you have to agree that Osama was right. I personally don't think he was. Great strike from a military point of view, but wrong. Just like the U.S. nukes were wrong. |
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2003-02-21, 01:35 PM | [Ignore Me] #12 | ||
As for the taliban, the US supplied them whit the weapons they needed to get the russians out of afghanistan.. That was a good thing, pulling out and leaving afghanistan to itself was a mistake.
Iraq is ruled by a president that has gassed his own citisens, he has the tongues ripped out of political oposers. Iraq is among the worst on amnesty internationals cruelty list. People also die every day in Iraq due to hunger, lack of medicines because of the sanctions and because Saddam uses money on the military and illegal projects. You mean that Saddam shouldn't be removed because some civilians will die? Or til a biological weapon is deployed by some mad terrorist in an urban area? Yes there is biological weapons there, Saddam can't even show the inspectors what he has told them he has so it can be destroyed. As for N.Korea, the guy is lying... hes just a windbag trying to convince the world he can threathen it to do as he wants. And Japan did not surrender after the first bomb, it took 2. I havn't praised bombing civilians (it was a horrible act), it was a military necisity to get a country that had invaded and controlled almost all of Oceania and was hellbent on more conquest to surrender and stop posing a threat to the countries around it. You're drawing a parrallell between the actions of a group of people hellbent on the western worlds destruction, and the neccisity of destroying a zealous enemy that the free world was at war whit. Does that mean we should nuke bagdad? hell no, we know better the effects of the afthermath of nuklear weapons and there are other ways whit todays weapons. Edit: All of Iraq is not the enemy, neither is all of the muslim world. However, all of Japan belived that the emperor was a living god and they would all go to their deaths for him. All of Japan was the enemy in WW2. Last edited by Zatrais; 2003-02-21 at 01:38 PM. |
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2003-02-21, 01:47 PM | [Ignore Me] #13 | ||
Arrg,
We've had a ton of this "facts" lately from everything from the dixie flag to this A bomb business. If you're gonna make a point, use real facts. 1 "People still suffer from the radiation effects" Not true. 2 "They didn't even try to talk to the Japanese. All they had to say was "You see what we have, and if you don't surrender, you're getting another one." I don't know about you, but if I was the Japanese, I would have surrendered. Did the U.S. give them this chance? No, they just dropped the next one." You just proved you do not know history, or at least this aspect of history. 3 "the U.S. put the Taliban in charge" Nope. We armed the Mujah Hadein. They we're freedom fighters, but still independent men, militia men if you will. The word Taliban came around in the last 10 years, and it just means student. 4 "Why aren't they going after Korea which poses a more dangerous threat?" A) Korea does not present a larger threat. At the greatest length, out left coast is only partially available as a target. State funded terrorists, like the taliban, are a much more realistic threat. B) The 3 largest armies over there Russia, China, and Japan have all promised pre emptive attacks. 5 "Bush either wants more oil" Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to drill in our back yard for it? Why didn't we take it the first time? Do you really think that it would fly if we took over the country and loaded up barges and just shipped all the oil back home for keeps? 6 "Like you said, they DID surrender, The surrendered after they saw the might of the bomb. So was the second one really necessary?" Perhaps you aced "fuzzy history"?
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2003-02-21, 01:54 PM | [Ignore Me] #14 | ||||
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Maybe you'll stop to think who the 'Bad Guys' were in that war before you chastise the U.S. for saving the rest of the world for Japaneese brutality. In an effort to help you understand this I present the following list of Japaneese Atrocities commited Durring WWII.
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Since I can only put 10,000 charecters per post it wall take a few more to cover how horrible the japaneese were to the world.
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