Serious Combatant Vs the Casual FPSTard

[MrVicchio]

One of the things I love most about FPS games, is when a group of people WORK TOGETHER, against the enemy. PS1, MAG, hell even CSS you could tell when a team was working together, and when it was a bunch of individuals.

Or as I see it, the Serious Combatant vs the FPSTard.One thing Sony MUST do, is stress to new players the... NEED for teamwork, and why.

To that end, I think outfits should be able to unlock the ability to "spawn" zones and areas for practice. No one in them, just the Outfit and be able to set up way points, over views.. the whole kit and kaboodle.

I think that would really make Outfits matter, Teamwork payoff and bring a lot of joy to the game.

[NewSith]

Like outfit exclusive trainig ground and shooting range? Awesome idea, but not very necessary.

[BorisBlade]

You can do alot of that on locked/owned conts. Thats what we did to practice various base type assaults. Formations to move in when assaulting each target type. Defensive set ups for various things such as CC/gen hold etc. And many other things. Just find a cont you own and go to town.

Still hate the idea of no sanc, seems like it got removed for imaginary reasons. Hope they have some good way to form up raids etc in an area that cant be seen by the enemy, even by population numbers.

[opticalshadow]

teamwork does pay off. you never went into a battle and single handedly changed much. it was never the hollywood 1 vs 400 victory. the biggest battle were overturned by co ordinated attacks.

[Goku]

I personally love a VR area like the current VR training for outfits to train in. Anything from basic training to having advanced training. Advanced training could be taking one squad from our outfit in the VR turning them into the enemy faction with all their weapons to allow for specific training scenarios indoor and out.

[p0intman]

SAS uses bases on homeconts for our shooting houses. Sometimes towers on fully engaged conts. Sometimes both if we are fighting on homeconts.

A few times, we've had a random or two enemies drop on us while doing training.

hilarity usually ensues, because we like it when our target practice comes to us.

[Lartnev]

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

To that end, I think outfits should be able to unlock the ability to "spawn" zones and areas for practice. No one in them, just the Outfit and be able to set up way points, over views.. the whole kit and kaboodle.

All well and good, but what makes you think "FPStards" would want to practice?
I suspect pro outfits will want this and, being pro gamers, would want to pay for it as well

[Rbstr]

To that end, I think outfits should be able to unlock the ability to "spawn" zones and areas for practice. No one in them, just the Outfit and be able to set up way points, over views.. the whole kit and kaboodle.

I think that would really make Outfits matter, Teamwork payoff and bring a lot of joy to the game.

That wouldn't have anything to do with a payoff for team work or making outfits matter in the accrual game. Practice, by it's nature, only plays off when applied to the real situation.

Why not just practice with the real thing? What benefit do highly artificial situations bring?

[Trolltaxi]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

That wouldn't have anything to do with a payoff for team work or making outfits matter in the accrual game. Practice, by it's nature, only plays off when applied to the real situation.

Why not just practice with the real thing? What benefit do highly artificial situations bring?

Have you ever actually tried to train br0 newbies to the basics of the game? We did it quite a lot, and beleive me, you need silent and so to say sterile environment to teach even the most obvious thing in the game. Like how to climb the steps in a tower, or how they will not cross the line of fire of an anchored MAX.

[ShowNoMercy]

PS1 already had enough in place to enable effective training. By removing grief when attacking squad mates, you could effectively go to other conts and practice. The only thing they need to add is no grief for attacking outfit members. It was always a pain having to make a platoon when training since you could see who and where you mock enemies were. Later we would disable the radar at a facility when training, but that was a hassle and greenies would come and purge the radar many times.

[Death2All]

Originally Posted by ShowNoMercy

PS1 already had enough in place to enable effective training. By removing grief when attacking squad mates, you could effectively go to other conts and practice. The only thing they need to add is no grief for attacking outfit members. It was always a pain having to make a platoon when training since you could see who and where you mock enemies were. Later we would disable the radar at a facility when training, but that was a hassle and greenies would come and purge the radar many times.

You already don't get grief for attacking outfit members. I would know. I do it a lot.

[Logit]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

That wouldn't have anything to do with a payoff for team work or making outfits matter in the accrual game. Practice, by it's nature, only plays off when applied to the real situation.

Why not just practice with the real thing? What benefit do highly artificial situations bring?

Teaching noobs how to play the game.

If we had VR, with bases and towers in it in the original it would be a benefit. A vast majority of the outfits I was in had dry runs on continents that weren't being contested specifically for showing how it's done.

Things in actual combat don't always go as planned, so it's nice to have an idea of what it should look like. So when you're in the real shit, at least you can be able to adjust quicker.

VR provides that.

If you don't want to practice than don't, but I know there are outfits that would find this beneficial to the operation.

[MrVicchio]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

That wouldn't have anything to do with a payoff for team work or making outfits matter in the accrual game. Practice, by it's nature, only plays off when applied to the real situation.

Why not just practice with the real thing? What benefit do highly artificial situations bring?

It allows teams to practice without the distractions. Practice tactics... why do you think the NFL, NBA, the US ARMY... why do you think people practice? To hone those skills.

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

It allows teams to practice without the distractions. Practice tactics... why do you think the NFL, NBA, the US ARMY... why do you think people practice? To hone those skills.

Well the US army obviously practices because unlike Planetside, death is permanent. Meanwhile the NBA and NFL have to practice because even if another pro side was willing to face them outside of league games regularly, they'd hold back in case they ever needed to bring out something extra for an important game.

I don't think either of those scenarios apply to Planetside.

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

It allows teams to practice without the distractions. Practice tactics... why do you think the NFL, NBA, the US ARMY... why do you think people practice? To hone those skills.

As was already said, none of these situations are equivalent. Professional sports games have a finite number of occurrences and costs for those occurrences in addition to off-seasons where nothing happens otherwise and real potential for player incapacitation.
The Army is that to an even more extreme situation.

Unless PS2 has penalties for participation in a battle beyond the win or loss - one of which would happen with or without the "practising" player - I don't see a reason to add dedicated large scale practice areas.

Obviously the vech/weapons VR's serve a purpose because spending certs is a semi-permanent thing. PS2 should have some semblance of that.