Leaning

[SavageB]

Since third person is going to be removed from the game as we know( for the soldier anyways ), do you think leaning from left to right should be added? I was just thinking if Boomers for engie will be in the game, how is that gonna work now with no third person. Besides the obvious bating the enemy into the boomer.

How do you feel about a leaning mechanism in game?

(just used the boomer thing as an example, as its probably the most common use for the third person we have now in PS1, for the trigger man and victim)

[Baneblade]

There are Boomers around every corner. Why bother looking?

[EASyEightyEight]

I'd only accept a lean if it can't be done while moving or firing and made the model actually lean around the corner for me to pop a round or two into. I remember the days of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and people would just spam lean-left/lean-right and they looked ****ing stupid running around and firing away like they had no spine.

[Erendil]

Originally Posted by EASyEightyEight

I'd only accept a lean if it can't be done while moving or firing and made the model actually lean around the corner for me to pop a round or two into. I remember the days of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and people would just spam lean-left/lean-right and they looked ****ing stupid running around and firing away like they had no spine.

LOL! I’d forgotten about penguin dodging in MOHAA! Funny as hell to watch, but yeah being able to lean back an forth while running and dodging was a broken game mechanic…

However, I for one absolutely love FPS’s that have a lean feature when it's done properly. Once again, I point to CoD2 for a good implementation.

With COD2’s lean you can both look and fire around the cover you’re hiding behind, but you expose your head and about 1/4 of your torso in doing so, so there is certainly an element of risk involved. Since PS2 will have headshots it makes it that much more dangerous since you’re literally sticking your neck out. Plus it's not instantaneous, so you expose yourself to enemy fire for at least 1/2 - 3/4 second - enough time to take a rifle burst to the face.

However, unlike in COD2, I agree that you shouldn’t be able to lean while on the move. But leaning should be possible either standing or crouching. Limiting it to just crouching makes no sense to me since people are quite capable of leaning while standing. Just watch any core-exercise or stretching routine and you’ll see it.

Lastly, as I implied above, IMO shooting should also be possible while leaning. It adds a vital tactical element to infantry combat and I find combat quite limiting in FPS games that don’t have it (including PS1) since it is such a basic, fundamental maneuver. And I for one find it incredibly fun to use (and to attack opponents that use it) in firefights since it adds to the challenge and variety of infantry combat.

So, I say yes to lean while standing or crouching, but not moving. And yes to firing while leaning.

[razor851]

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

There are Boomers around every corner. Why bother looking?

Aww shit, son! You done said it.

[Huma]

Having a lean function when your next to a wall or obstacle sounds good to me. It would also replace the 3rd person and still provide as much an advantage.

[Lonehunter]

Only if you can't shoot while doing it.

I'm so glad 3rd person is gone. Seeing someone coming without exposing yourself doesn't need to be in a FPS

[CutterJohn]

I hate leans. There are already too few keys within easy reach on a keyboard, using up two more to lean would make me sad.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

I hate leans. There are already too few keys within easy reach on a keyboard, using up two more to lean would make me sad.

So, SHIFT+Left/Right arrow key won't work?

[CutterJohn]

Originally Posted by Crator

So, SHIFT+Left/Right arrow key won't work?

If you mean shift + A or D, that means taking away the strafe ability while crouched(or sprinting if its the sprint key).

If you mean the arrow keys.. thats all the way across the keyboard.

[Talek Krell]

I generally use C to toggle crouch, shift for sprint. I think ctrl is open though.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

If you mean shift + A or D, that means taking away the strafe ability while crouched(or sprinting if its the sprint key).

If you mean the arrow keys.. thats all the way across the keyboard.

Sorry, I did mean A or D. So make it Ctrl+A or D instead of Shift...

[Erendil]

In a standard WASD setup, the Q and E keys are great for lean left/right. My movement keys are shifted over 1 key to the right (so, ESDF instead of WASD), and W and R are my leans keys when playing games that have it (namely COD2). They also double as good roll keys for air combat.

[Sirisian]

I like this idea. If you can only do it while crouched though. Standing and leaning seems odd to me. I mean I can see it's use in a hallway but I'm not a fan of it.

[Graywolves]

With leaning I still imagine NC (mostly Higby, jk) sitting at the top of the stairwell with his Jackhammer and then just running down as soon as he sees someone and unloading in their face.