Tank balance thread (because magrider)

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I'm of the opinion that the Vanu magrider is seriously weak compared to the other tanks.

Driving over water might be a great advantage except that so far there is no bridge combat anywhere to be seen.

I also think that side strafing to avoid tank shells seems like literally trying to dodge a bullet as a MAX. No way you're going to do it. The vanu doesn't really have an advantage then, it's slower than TR, and has the weakest armor and gun damage of the three.

However instead of making a magrider thread I'm making a tank balance thread. Please vote for whichever tank you think is weakest (or if you think tanks are well balanced)

[Razicator]

There's a reason why in PS1 magriders were the best tanks in the hands of higher skilled people. The nonexistent arc on the shots, coupled with strafing and a higher elevation, meant that magriders are the snipers of tanks, except with high damaging high explosive shells. Magriders camping vehicle exits from hills meant no ground or air vehicles.

Just don't go 1v1 a vanguard at 10 meters, and you should do fine.

[chunkeymonkey]

Really I can't comment on this because none of us (except the lucky ones at E3) have experienced a direct fight between a magrider - NC or TR tank. We can judge the balance when people are allowed into beta.

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I said this in another thread, its not so much about the balance 1v1, its how they do in specific situations against eachother. Like Razicator said when at close quarters, a Vanguard will probably win. Give the magrider some range or some rivers and the magrider will probably win.

[TerminatorUK]

Originally Posted by Razicator

There's a reason why in PS1 magriders were the best tanks in the hands of higher skilled people. The nonexistent arc on the shots, coupled with strafing and a higher elevation, meant that magriders are the snipers of tanks, except with high damaging high explosive shells. Magriders camping vehicle exits from hills meant no ground or air vehicles.

Just don't go 1v1 a vanguard at 10 meters, and you should do fine.

This isn't true is PS2 though - the Magrider also has arcing projectiles so it won't have a snipibg advantage in this version.

However, I think tanks will be fairly well balanced against each other.

We really need to see 10-15 tanks with an infantry mix up to see how well they might be balanced

[Aurmanite]

Actually, the TR tank has the weakest armor.

This is a perfectly reasonable thread based upon the amount of time we've had to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Aurmanite

Actually, the TR tank has the weakest armor.

This is a perfectly reasonable thread based upon the amount of time we've had to play the game.

News to me, I remember the TR being middle in terms of armor.

[ringring]

Originally Posted by Synapse

News to me, I remember the TR being middle in terms of armor.

That was ps1. I'm pretty sure that Matt had said the new prowler was fastest but had the weakest armour....

I haven't voted. I don't have enough information to have an opinion tbh.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

News to me, I remember the TR being middle in terms of armor.

.... blargh.... just realised this is a necro thread..

[PredatorFour]

In PS 1 you can dodge shells in a mag with strafing and probably will be able to do it in PS 2. You just have to keep yer distance, obviously you cant do it within 10 m of a vanguard but like someone said earlier you just dont get up close to the other empires tanks in a mag as you are a sniper tank.

With the drivers using the main gun i think we will see similiar gameplay traits to Dust 415 where people sit in tanks all the time and cain infantry. In that game you have to use rescources like in PS 2. Maybe in large scale combat we will see loads of tanks whoring kills and not going for the objectives. Whether thats good or bad, im not going to decide

[Bruttal]

Originally Posted by PredatorFour

In PS 1 you can dodge shells in a mag with strafing and probably will be able to do it in PS 2. You just have to keep yer distance, obviously you cant do it within 10 m of a vanguard but like someone said earlier you just don't get up close to the other empires tanks in a mag as you are a sniper tank.

With the drivers using the main gun i think we will see similar game-play traits to Dust 415 where people sit in tanks all the time and cain infantry. In that game you have to use resources like in PS 2. Maybe in large scale combat we will see loads of tanks whoring kills and not going for the objectives. Whether that's good or bad, Im not going to decide

Well I have to say I don't think the new Magrider has the laser type cannon now, it lobs plasma shells so sniping doesn't work the same as it did in ps1. Also Dodging a shell that you cant see coming because of fixed view isn't even possible.

[Bags]

Amerish has water iirc, but yeah, you won't dodge with strafing. I couldn't get my friend to understand that, lol.

[Haro]

Originally Posted by Synapse

I'm of the opinion that the Vanu magrider is seriously weak compared to the other tanks.

Driving over water might be a great advantage except that so far there is no bridge combat anywhere to be seen.

I also think that side strafing to avoid tank shells seems like literally trying to dodge a bullet as a MAX. No way you're going to do it. The vanu doesn't really have an advantage then, it's slower than TR, and has the weakest armor and gun damage of the three.

However instead of making a magrider thread I'm making a tank balance thread. Please vote for whichever tank you think is weakest (or if you think tanks are well balanced)

It's hard to tell, but the magriders seemed to have their fair share of success in the demo. Not really sure where you are getting the idea that they have the least armor or the weakest weapon (fairly certain the low weapon strength will go to TR.) Not to mention, I wouldn't count out the value of strafing. You may not be dodging rounds, but for me the magrider control scheme seems easiest, and you could potentially use its abilities to get into better positions, while I think many tank drivers will need time to reconcile a more complicated method of driving while also rotating the turret.

Way too early to really tell though, but historically, VS has always been middle of the road with unusual bonuses.

[Kilmoran]

Originally Posted by Synapse

I'm of the opinion that the Vanu magrider is seriously weak compared to the other tanks.

Driving over water might be a great advantage except that so far there is no bridge combat anywhere to be seen.

I also think that side strafing to avoid tank shells seems like literally trying to dodge a bullet as a MAX. No way you're going to do it. The vanu doesn't really have an advantage then, it's slower than TR, and has the weakest armor and gun damage of the three.

However instead of making a magrider thread I'm making a tank balance thread. Please vote for whichever tank you think is weakest (or if you think tanks are well balanced)

Urban combat strafing is an advantage when trying to avoid damage too. Only the magrider can do that well and precisely.

[Virulence]

From what I've seen, all of the tanks seem a little too squishy at the moment.