Lasher, Jackhammer and MCG.

Xaine · 2012-07-01, 12:45 AM

This is the first time i've played PS1 in a while. I've seen the Lasher go through many changes, but currently i've come to the opinion that..

Its fucking awful.

You see TR running around with stolen JHs, and NC with MCGs.. and you see the VS with either... but i can't remember the last time i saw either the TR or NC with a Lasher.

I'd rather use the sweeper, and i do. The range is very short, yeah - but its TTK is actually good and it kills people? I do FAR better wth the sweeper than with the Lasher. Every time i come up against a JH or a MCG with a Lasher i get destroyed.

Am i just a baddie, or what?

Grimster · 2012-07-01, 01:11 AM

I remember back in 2003 or 2004 when they released that patch that made the Lasher insanely overpowered.

You didn't even need direct line of sight to kill with it because the lashes hurt so bad.

I also remember having whole bunch of those babies stashed away. Threw them away when it got nerfed.

Redshift · 2012-07-01, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Xaine

You see TR running around with stolen JHs, and NC with MCGs.. and you see the VS with either... but i can't remember the last time i saw either the TR or NC with a Lasher.

We have ammo for those

Snorf · 2012-07-01, 02:51 AM

Lasher 2.0 was overpowered, yet it was still the closest to being the vs balanced ha. They just were never able to figure out how to get it right.

Xenostalker · 2012-07-01, 04:20 AM

I've always wanted to post my own raging thread about how utterly useless and pathetic the Lasher is...

Thank you, kind sir. Now I can simply reply with "I agree."

But... PS2 is coming out so...

Gandhi · 2012-07-01, 05:41 AM

I like to pick up a Lasher now and then, especially for a base fight, but not having access to ammo for it makes it pretty hard. And I can't keep them in my locker without using up a bunch of space for pilfered ammo boxes too.

Baneblade · 2012-07-01, 11:32 AM

The concept of the Lasher is all wrong for an HA weapon. The VS needed a manportable PPA.

ringring · 2012-07-01, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Xaine

This is the first time i've played PS1 in a while. I've seen the Lasher go through many changes, but currently i've come to the opinion that..

Its fucking awful.

You see TR running around with stolen JHs, and NC with MCGs.. and you see the VS with either... but i can't remember the last time i saw either the TR or NC with a Lasher.

I'd rather use the sweeper, and i do. The range is very short, yeah - but its TTK is actually good and it kills people? I do FAR better wth the sweeper than with the Lasher. Every time i come up against a JH or a MCG with a Lasher i get destroyed.

Am i just a baddie, or what?

And funnily enough as TR I'd rather fight against the NC+JH than VS+Lasher. I think it is due to the effective range where if I keep the range long against JH I have an advantage.

Perhaps your experience is because the Lasher is an in-between weapon and by that I mean you need longer range against the JH and shorter range against the MCG so you need to fight in 2 different styles.

I'd advise not trying to use the VS MA though .... it's much easier for me to fight against than the Lasher.

cryosin · 2012-07-01, 08:28 AM

The problem with the Lasher is that it is simply a worse MCG.

It has a longer TTK, more recoil, slower rate of fire and you basically cant strafe and shoot the thing unless you're point blank.

The sad part is, its still our best indoor weapon outside of the sweeper(which is just worse than a Jackhammer).

I end up using it because I at least have a chance against other HA's, but it is un-deniably worse.

The Lasher was originally balanced around its "lash". It wouldn't always win 1v1, but its lashing made it very good in large numbers, which is what planetside is all about.

Unfortunately, the lash has been reduced to nothing. It literally does about 5% armor damage, regardless of which firing mode you use. That's right, 5%(maybe less?) of their ARMOR.... meaning you gotta chew through armor before it even matters. Essentially, the lash doesn't exist. Not to mention, the orb has to travel at least 10 feet before the lash effects anything.

I think if the lasher took 1 less hit to kill a rexo it would be balanced right now, but at this point it doesn't matter. They could never figure out how to balance the lash over the main target, and that's why it was always OP or UP.

Espion · 2012-07-04, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by cryosin

The problem with the Lasher is that it is simply a worse MCG.

It has a longer TTK, more recoil, slower rate of fire and you basically cant strafe and shoot the thing unless you're point blank.

This isn't true for rexos, only agiles. Against agile I can't remember the exact numbers but MCG should have a slightly lower TTK if it's not near identical (7mcg shots vs 4 lasher shots iirc). And against rexo the TTK for lasher is 1.0s, and for MCG 1.33s.

The lasher has just always had problems with hit detection since the changes, and with all the lag that has continuously build up or been added by SOE via server moves and loggin, it just kept getting worse to the point where it feels like the MCG has a shorter TTK because it's less impacted by the lag (even though it still normally takes 2-3x as much shots as it should to kill someone with it now)

DarkSkyes · 2012-07-01, 08:35 AM

lol the lasher is bad if you have bad aim. I actually have a better KD when I play VS than I do when play TR. If you don't miss the lasher has a much better TTK than the MCG and it matches up well with the JH at close range. If you do miss a shot though, you are dead.

If you learn how to use it the lasher is actually a very good weapon.

Xaine · 2012-07-01, 08:53 AM

Given that I've played several FPS games competitively, I seriously doubt my aim is the issue here.

After about 4 shots the orbs start flying everywhere in a 45 degree cone in front of you. You can burst it, but then the TTK gets even worse.

The Jackhammer actually has a semi decent range for a shotgun. You can't kill the NC before he can run at you with the JH and destroy you.

The MCG has better range, less recoil and even at point blank the TTK seems pretty similar.

But yeah, PS2 soon I guess. Just you'd think in 9 years they would have managed to balance it.

ringring · 2012-07-01, 08:54 AM

Don't think of the lasher as a bad mcg .... it is itself, distinct and different.

The lash itself may only do 1 hit point of damage or whatever it is, but that means that if you miss the lash will cause the mcg cof to bloom and your TR opponent will start missing shots ... the lash isn't what it was but it still has a benefit.

I repeat against TR get in close and put your better TTK to use.

PrISM · 2012-07-01, 09:45 AM

The older lashers were, of course better than what it is now. That being said, it's still not as useless as a lot of people make it out to be. You can still be effective at killing with it if you know what you're doing.

infy · 2012-07-01, 02:15 PM

Weapons in ps doesn't really matter, it's all bout your aim. Sometimes i can kill people with the lasher way faster than the mcg/jh, clientside oi?

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