Make smoke grenades universal.

[Kyros]

I really don't like that the smoke grenade is on the light assault. They're incredibly useful, even to other classes, especially the medic. Lets say you're pinned down and you have a fallen comerade out of cover, you could throw a rebirth grenade, but he'll just get killed again when he stands up, and if you move over there to rescue him you'll get shot too. But if you pop a smoke grenade, then you can save him and you're both back in the fight.

I think smoke grenades should be removed from light assault, and made universal. Perhaps give the light assault a sensor grenade [like from the new ghost recon game] or something else that suits their role. Smoke grenades don't seem all that useful to light assaults to begin with. What do you guys think?

[Doxy]

Just ask your light assault buddy to throw one?
Game does have buildin voice com., so its not that difficult.

[Kyros]

You're not always next to your buddy. Especially in the case of the light assault, their high mobility will probably place them away from the main squad quite often.

[Infernalis]

I fear smoke spam if everyone have access to it, so I'll wait for the beta to decide.

[xnorb]

Originally Posted by Infernalis

I fear smoke spam if everyone have access to it, so I'll wait for the beta to decide.

And that would be bad because ... ?

Still i think the vast majority would equip nades that inflict damage than
pure tactical nades.

[Fafnir]

Throwable smoke grenades are only for light assault, but more classes have access to underslug smoke nade launchers. So far I've seen engineer using it in Higby/TB dual commentary video.

[ChipMHazard]

Originally Posted by Infernalis

I fear smoke spam if everyone have access to it, so I'll wait for the beta to decide.

Same here.

[Pyreal]

1: Smoke is most useful for advancing, and LA will be the forward assaulter.
2: LA, after losing Resupply needs class specific utility.
3: Smoke, being LA only, fosters teamwork and class interdependency.
4: Making smoke universal may lead to over-use, or under-use, as it gets passed over for damage grenades.

Using 'useful' as a reason to take it away from one class and give it to all isn't keeping with the goal of Classes, and harks back to PS1.

"A glue gun is pretty useful, it shouldn't be limited to Engineers!"

If you want something for Medics ask for a shield grenade (call it an' Aegis dispersal field'). You can pop it over a fallen comrade and it creates a solid or semi-transparent spherical shield that stops or minimizes bullet damage. It does not stop vehicles or players from passing through.

[Kyros]

Shield grenade seems more like an engineer thing. Also while smoke may be useful for advancing, I more often than not use them defensively. I agree that LA needs a class specific utility but smokes, like frags are what I'd call 'generic' grenades which I think should belong to all classes. [I'd probably even put flash grenades in that category as well.]

[xnorb]

Originally Posted by Pyreal

1: Smoke is most useful for advancing, and LA will be the forward assaulter.
2: LA, after losing Resupply needs class specific utility.
3: Smoke, being LA only, fosters teamwork and class interdependency.
4: Making smoke universal may lead to over-use, or under-use, as it gets passed over for damage grenades.

Once again a BF3 example as it demonstrates game fails perfectly:

Assault got under-barrel smoke launcher, but can't resupply himself.
In 90% of the rounds that means: Once you fired your 3 nades it's over.
You will not shoot any more than those 3, simply because you don't get
resupplies (either because you're far ahead of the resupplying class or only
retards around you that don't give you ammo)


In Bad Company on the other hand assaults were able to resupply themselves
and not even in Rush - a game mode in which smoke=win - it was overused.

It might be that PS1 players were the teamwork-master race and everybody
was only playing the objectives, always working together and stuff, but i
can already tell you that PS2 will be full of lonewolves completely ignoring
the objectives and not caring about the needs of their teammates.


Therefore i'd give the smoke grenades to a class that can resupply itself.
(Ya, IMO LA should have the ammokit)

[rTekku]

Originally Posted by xnorb

Once again a BF3 example as it demonstrates game fails perfectly:

Assault got under-barrel smoke launcher, but can't resupply himself.
In 90% of the rounds that means: Once you fired your 3 nades it's over.
You will not shoot any more than those 3, simply because you don't get
resupplies (either because you're far ahead of the resupplying class or only
retards around you that don't give you ammo)


In Bad Company on the other hand assaults were able to resupply themselves
and not even in Rush - a game mode in which smoke=win - it was overused.

It might be that PS1 players were the teamwork-master race and everybody
was only playing the objectives, always working together and stuff, but i
can already tell you that PS2 will be full of lonewolves completely ignoring
the objectives and not caring about the needs of their teammates.


Therefore i'd give the smoke grenades to a class that can resupply itself.
(Ya, IMO LA should have the ammokit)

Part of the problem with BF3 however was lack of voice communication outside of third party programs or Battlelog which made working with your team impossible.

I'm not saying it will be perfect in PS2, but voice communication should make it easier to work with other like minded people who want to support the team. Meaning coordinating with your squad and getting things like ammo will be much easier.

Besides, most BF players are idiots anyway.

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by Infernalis

I fear smoke spam if everyone have access to it, so I'll wait for the beta to decide.

I fear flashbang spam more tbh

[Kyros]

Funny that no one fears frag spam. :P

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by Kyros

Funny that no one fears frag spam. :P

everyone expects to get horribly blown to pieces by enemy or even your sides grenades, that's just a fact of life on Auraxis, it's more to do with the same side grief spam that Flashbangs can be used for I'm more worried over

[Zalmoxis]

I think that the current class restrictions are best because this way, everybody is useful for something and there is no universal class. It's best for it to be this way.