VS underpowered when it comes to infantry?

Zalmoxis · 2012-07-13, 03:41 PM

I have thought about it, and I am starting to believe that the VS might be quite underpowered in terms of infantry combat. Why?

Well, in my opinion snipers play a very important role in infantry combat and base defense against infantry ( hate them or love them, you can't deny their battle effectiveness). And since the VS have the "bullets lose damage over time" perk, I think that the VS snipers might get raped by the enemy snipers. And same thing goes for the rest of the infantry, since the VS would lose in medium to long range battles because of their perk, they would have to get in CQ where they have no advantage over the other factions.

But hey, these are just my thoughts on the matter, and since I haven't played PS1 I don't know what to think.

So, what is your opinion on this matter?

Sephirex · 2012-07-13, 03:43 PM

We don't know the damage drop for VS sniper rifles yet. Also I saw a VS use a rifle that was an insta-hit laser, no drop. You might have a hard time getting the quick hand of the draw on that one.

RodenyC · 2012-07-13, 03:43 PM

I believe that the VS snipers are just like the other snipers in sharing bullet drop and does not have the lose damage over time like assault rifles do.

EisenKreutzer · 2012-07-13, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by RodenyC

I believe that the VS snipers are just like the other snipers in sharing bullet drop and does not have the lose damage over time like assault rifles do.

I seem to remember that not being the case.

RodenyC · 2012-07-13, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by EisenKreutzer

I seem to remember that not being the case.

If I can find the link,I remember either Tray or Matt confirming that the VS snipers had bullet drop.That's where I got that.

Mr DeCastellac · 2012-07-13, 05:06 PM

Logically, the sniper rifles wouldn't lose damage over distance, since any sniper rifle's appeal is shooting from a long range.

I think people are really exaggerating the damage drop-off. It's just something they put in to make up for the fact that they fire straight.

As with anything, it'll get balanced and tweaked in the beta. We'll see.

Zalmoxis · 2012-07-13, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by RodenyC

I believe that the VS snipers are just like the other snipers in sharing bullet drop and does not have the lose damage over time like assault rifles do.

I think I saw in one of the gameplay footage that the VS snipers don't have bullet drop. And their scope sucks. A lot!

And yeah, we won't know the bullet damage drop until we get to play. This is just a pre-beta speculation thread

ChipMHazard · 2012-07-13, 03:46 PM

There's no way to know until beta.

Canaris · 2012-07-13, 03:46 PM

what you loose on the one hand you gain with the other

breigar · 2012-07-13, 03:47 PM

TR - speed
NC - power
VS - accuraccy i suppose :P

Elays · 2012-07-13, 03:48 PM

Well as a balance issue, undoubtedly it will be addressed in Beta at some point. That being said, I can see a lot of workarounds for it:

1. No bullet drop = repeat accuracy. TR/NC have to adjust for each shot, VS don't, meaning a more effective RoF. Not the RoF of the weapon mind you, just the RoF you can actually hit something with.

2. Reverse the perk. Damage drop-off for normal weapons intended for mid/short range. How about damage-pick-up for snipers? After all, I'm sure the good ol' VS can think up something sciency for that.

3. Balance with AP feature. Perhaps the damage lessens but the penetration/AV capability remains steady over distance? Melts through armor rather than punches?

4. Common Pool Guns. Not that that's necessarily a GOOD idea, but it's an idea.

Also, if you'd kindly refrain from the use of rape in a casual context, we can change the English language for the better.

NoDachi · 2012-07-13, 03:48 PM

Since when did snipers play a game changing part?

Originally Posted by Elays

3. Balance with AP feature. Perhaps the damage lessens but the penetration/AV capability remains steady over distance? Melts through armor rather than punches?

Makes absolutely no sense.

The energy weapons damage degrades overtime quicker than the kinetic alternatives is because they lose more energy travelling through the same atmosphere.

A shot hitting a tank will be much cooler/weaker than when it first was fired.

bbihah · 2012-07-13, 03:52 PM

When your medic got shot in the face.

Elays · 2012-07-13, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by NoDachi

Since when did snipers play a game changing part?

Makes absolutely no sense.

The energy weapons damage degrades overtime quicker than the kinetic alternatives is because they lose more energy travelling through the same atmosphere.

A shot hitting a tank will be much cooler/weaker than when it first was fired.

Thus my added idea of it "melting" through the armor. It will be cooler than first fired, sure why not, but the "melting" quality could still retain greater penetration than the "punching" of a bullet, yes? This is sci-fi, after all.

SGOniell · 2012-12-08, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Elays

Thus my added idea of it "melting" through the armor. It will be cooler than first fired, sure why not, but the "melting" quality could still retain greater penetration than the "punching" of a bullet, yes? This is sci-fi, after all.

That just doesn't work...Materials take such an amount of energy to alter them, in the case of these weapons its coming from the heat. Plus depending on the temperature all you could end up doing is altering the structure of the material causing it to transform from one to another. Like when you heat up steel you could end up with Cementite, Austenite, or Ferrite rather than what you started with. This would simply bring out other properties. Depending on how its done you could make it tougher and then you'd be screwed.