Still on the fence...

Gugabalog · 2012-07-26, 10:40 PM

I am adamantly opposed to those fascist TR, but I honestly can't decide between the NC and VS.

The NC have robust military gear, very appropriate for territorial conflict. But I'm not sure I can support a cause without a goal. Especially one that refuses to coexist with those that would rather be let be. Even by the TR's arguement oligarchy is still a cultural step up from totalitarianism. I.E. Look at Rome's history; From King's to a Republic, which is still an oligarchy of sorts.

Then I look at the VS and see a very tactically versatile group. Especially with that unfortunately soon to be nerfed Scythe. The Scythe and the Magrider are both very intriguing pieces. I'm familiar with the magrider's style due to 2142's Nekomato hover tank. I liked it and hated it. But then lore wise they remind me way too much of the Byzantines. I mean they even freaking wear PURPLE! Purple-philia, combined with an obsession with the past to predict the future both point to eventual stagnation and collapse. That combined with the Scientologyesque vibes I get from their naysaysers They still feel off.

So then I am left to decide which do I value more, Freedom or Progress?

I'm not sure I truly care for progress without freedom, too Naziesque. (They made considerable technological advancements despite the hellishness of some of their actions) But then freedom without aim leads to anarchy which is the antithesis and not a true resolution to the conflict.

I'm leaning VS but cant's say I don't want to go NC either.

(I'm going with pick a faction for it's lore and stick with it, to add a bit of RP immersion to my gameplay and start off with a little of that PS-style Pride

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FINALCUT · 2012-07-26, 11:14 PM

NC.

Gugabalog · 2012-07-26, 11:16 PM

But Wub Wub guns! *grah*

Convince me to appreaciate freedom more than progress then I will.

Accuser · 2012-07-26, 11:25 PM

Try them all and judge by playstyle... Try each aircraft, tank and HA weapon in particular. I don't want to sign on with the TR Nazis either, and though freedom is important, so is the freedom to advance beyond our human limitations. And no, the NC don't want to allow that freedom.

Still, though the Vanu top my list so far, I'll be playing whatever fits my playstyle the best.

Gugabalog · 2012-07-26, 11:29 PM

I know, but I'm looking for that little dash of rp patriotism, much as I dislike patriotism irl. I want to choose a side because I believe in it.

FINALCUT · 2012-07-27, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Gugabalog

I know, but I'm looking for that little dash of rp patriotism, much as I dislike patriotism irl. I want to choose a side because I believe in it.

How can you dislike Patriotism in real life?

pa·tri·ot·ism

NOUN:

Love of and devotion to one's country.

That settles it. NC doesn't want you,go VS.

Gugabalog · 2012-07-27, 12:14 AM

"Nationalism is the measles of mankind" - Einstein

Ratstomper · 2012-07-27, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by FINALCUT

How can you dislike Patriotism in real life?

pa·tri·ot·ism

NOUN:

Love of and devotion to one's country.

That settles it. NC doesn't want you,go VS.

Totally missed the point of NC. Might wanna figure it out before you tell others not to join....

Gugabalog · 2012-07-27, 12:56 AM

Nah, I'm not pro-scientology. It's cult-like, and draws parallels similar to the vanu-byzantine parallel.

FriarFin · 2012-07-27, 01:05 AM

Another VS perk is that we have harnessed pure science to use in our Magriders and scythes. We won't suffer from bullet drop like the NC and TR, so snipers are given less of a challenge. However, the sad truth is that 49.9% of all new scythe pilots immediately crash into the nearest cactus.

FINALCUT · 2012-07-27, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

Totally missed the point of NC. Might wanna figure it out before you tell others not to join....

Disagree. Being NC doesn't meen you hate your country. It meens you hate the Dictatorship running your Country and you want a more free form of leadership,one that promotes capitalism and individual freedom.

I love the United States and the Idea of what it is to be an American. I love the Country as it was designed and run for the first hundred years give or take. I hate what it has become.

I am a Patriot,yet I am also a freedom fighter at heart. I think you see the NC as an anarchist organization. I see them as patriots trying to restore the terran republic to the way it was in the past when it was more respectful of our rights as free men.

Just difference in the way we view things I guess,kind of like in real life. There are those flag waving,gun totoing Americans that want a second revolution in this country,then there are those flag waving ,gun toting americans that want a peacful transition of power to a Government that is more in line with our Constitution.

Both groups want the same thing,just want to get there by a different path.Thats how I see the NC anyways. Just my 2 cents.

Hosp · 2012-07-27, 01:56 PM

Find an outfit.

Ratstomper · 2012-07-27, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by FINALCUT

Disagree. Being NC doesn't meen you hate your country. It meens you hate the Dictatorship running your Country and you want a more free form of leadership,one that promotes capitalism and individual freedom.

I love the United States and the Idea of what it is to be an American. I love the Country as it was designed and run for the first hundred years give or take. I hate what it has become.

I am a Patriot,yet I am also a freedom fighter at heart. I think you see the NC as an anarchist organization. I see them as patriots trying to restore the terran republic to the way it was in the past when it was more respectful of our rights as free men.

Just difference in the way we view things I guess,kind of like in real life. There are those flag waving,gun totoing Americans that want a second revolution in this country,then there are those flag waving ,gun toting americans that want a peacful transition of power to a Government that is more in line with our Constitution.

Both groups want the same thing,just want to get there by a different path.Thats how I see the NC anyways. Just my 2 cents.

You could have clarified that in your first post.

Originally Posted by FINALCUT

How can you dislike Patriotism in real life?

pa·tri·ot·ism

NOUN:

Love of and devotion to one's country.

That settles it. NC doesn't want you,go VS.

This makes you sound like a practitioner of blind patriotism, which would make absolutely no sense.

FriarFin · 2012-07-27, 12:18 AM

The Vanu believe intently in human progress.
The NC want progress but they are too cowardly to go as far as us when it comes to progress.
Both the Vanu and NC want freedom. Difference is, NC want freedom from the TR dictatorship and vanu harassment. The Vanu want freedom from the definition of human. We wish to become more than our species can be. To evolve beyond what we think we can do as a species.
Just me throwing in a random reason why you should chose VS. On another note...
SUBMIT TO OUR WUB-WUB GUNS.

Gugabalog · 2012-07-27, 12:27 AM

WUB WUB WUB WUB

Jeez now I see vanu dubstep-firearm bands starting where they double as a musical and light show during the night XD

I like the idea of freedom from the human condition. I don't view humanity as anything special, but the scientology-likeness of it still gets me.

Ofc the playes don't play those vibes up right?