Smedley: "Bigots, homophobes, racists, anti-semites and general jerks not welcome"

Geist · 2012-09-01, 11:27 PM

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/c...hones_racists/

I've been at PAX so I haven't yet had the opportunity to respond to this whole "*******" thing. Let me be crystal clear about where I stand on this and where SOE stands.

We will not tolerate bigots, homophobes, racists, anti-semites or people being basic asshats in our game. If we catch you doing any of that you're gone. I've read a great deal about *** ****** and seen enough to make me make this general comment - if I see any of this behavior whatsoever in the game I will personally ban anyone doing it. I will do it publicly and I will do it loudly and as broadly as I can possibly make happen. Go play another game if you want to act like a jerk. We don't need or want your business.

In the specific incident that happened TB responded to it very well and we're going to make sure to avoid showcasing any guild that represents itself that way even outside the game. If you don't like that, tough. We'll ban you for what you say in the game but if you act like a ray of sunshine inside the game you'll still get to play. But if you are a well known as being any of the things I listed above outside the game - guess what. You're not going to be on any of our public facing stuff.

I want to be clear that there's nothing we will do inside the game if you follow our rules. That wouldn't be right. We also aren't trying to be the internet police. This is a free country. People get to say what they want to say. But not in our game. It's our way or the highway on these subjects.

I also want all to know this is a hobby horse of mine personally. I really can't stand racists or homophobes or anti-semites. I think they are foul human beings and really don't want them anywhere near me.
Anyways. I hope I haven't minced words.
Thanks
Smed

Regardless of who's responsible, I'm personally glad that he's taken such a hard stance against this type of thing.

thegreekboy · 2012-09-01, 11:30 PM

can I get an explanation of what exactly happened?

Geist · 2012-09-01, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by thegreekboy

can I get an explanation of what exactly happened?

Link

Originally Posted by Total Biscuit

My view is this.

What they do on their Teamspeak and forum is their own business. I'm not here to pass moral judgments, we've all shot the shit at some point, to what degree is up to them in their own private domain.

What I won't do is actively promote an outfit that is willing to use those kind of insults to potential applicants. An awful lot of new players are heading into Planetside 2 and upon seeing that video may be tempted to apply. Last thing I want is my viewers being called all kinds of shitty names for whatever reason and then coming back to me saying "why the hell did you promote these assholes?". Any mention of the outfit's name is gone from the video as a result of that. We will not mention them any more or activately promote their outfit as a result of their behaviour for the reasons given above.

Any discussions about whether or not there are racists, homophobes, anti-semites or whatever in the outfit is a moot point. If you're going to act that way we can't actively promote you, no matter how good you are.

Diehard · 2012-09-01, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Geist

Link

Just viewed the link. SO much drama and its entertaining

TE ArmaGetItOn · 2012-09-03, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by thegreekboy

can I get an explanation of what exactly happened?

People keep asking this. There's a reason for that. Nothing happened.

The Enclave was featured by the PAX stream. Reddit got jealous and butthurt. Reddit compiled a butthurt list of bad words we said on our private forums, and cried about it. Smedley responded.

END OF STORY.

Edit: it is amusing, however, watching Total Biscuit fumble around with the stream trying to avoid featuring us again. He literally cannot find any other organized play to feature, and that's another reason Smedley is mad. At no point did Biscuit say "organized" without pointing the camera at us. There was no other outfit to display. I'd be frustrated too, if the only outfit I could use to promote my game was currently being hounded by a bunch of self righteous internet crusaders.

No one here can deny that this debacle is solely because of jealousy. The timing is just too perfect. We did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary, we were quite simply just playing the game, and that's why I say that nothing happened. People got jealous that we were featured on a stream, and ran a smear campaign. Smedley went into alarmist mode.

basti · 2012-09-03, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by TE ArmaGetItOn

People keep asking this. There's a reason for that. Nothing happened.

The Enclave was featured by the PAX stream. Reddit got jealous and butthurt. Reddit compiled a butthurt list of bad words we said on our private forums, and cried about it. Smedley responded.

END OF STORY.

Edit: it is amusing, however, watching Total Biscuit fumble around with the stream trying to avoid featuring us again. He literally cannot find any other organized play to feature, and that's another reason Smedley is mad. At no point did Biscuit say "organized" without pointing the camera at us. There was no other outfit to display. I'd be frustrated too, if the only outfit I could use to promote my game was currently being hounded by a bunch of self righteous internet crusaders.

No one here can deny that this debacle is solely because of jealousy. The timing is just too perfect. We did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary, we were quite simply just playing the game, and that's why I say that nothing happened. People got jealous that we were featured on a stream, and ran a smear campaign. Smedley went into alarmist mode.

Lets make this clear for you:

Its clear that you got a clue how to play organized, and its good that way. Thats not the problem. It has absolutly nothing to do with the issue.

The issue is how you behave. In short, you are fucktarts and everyone hates you. Why? Because you folks are propably the most racist community i have ever seen in a game. And THAT is the problem. You may see it as dark humor, but it doesnt matter how you see it, but how everyone else sees it.
Nobody gives a damn how you behave inside your forums or on your TS, but its get problematic when you behave the same way in a public area (yes, your public section of your forums are a public area, as everyone can see them). You make yourself look like absolut idiots. Heck, you bombed a frigging funeral.

This is what you get. Enjoy it. It wont end unless you stop being fools.
You have a meeting today, dont you? I suggest you figure out that you need to STFU very quickly, then maybe your reputation changes from being a bunch of assholes to one of a good, organized outfit.

elementHTTP · 2012-09-03, 05:10 AM

ROFL sooo much stupidity

I disagree with some of Enclave members ways of thinking but come on by doing this media propaganda you make them look like PS2 "bad boys" and more people will join them making them more powerful

Yes they can express their opinions (like everybody else ) its a free county not communism - ITS YOUR CHOICE TO (NOT) LISTEN THEM

By this logic can then argue that devil dogs 666 promotes satanism and its bad for community...

EPIC media backfire is epic

gj internet hotheads

HeatLegend · 2012-09-03, 05:20 AM

Give the guys a break dammit. Don't take everything so damn seriously, from what I've seen of them they seem like a pretty laid-back fun outfit.

Despite being TR and being the 666th DD's biggest challenge on West 01.

This is my personal opinion and without a doubt is not shared with most people of my Outfit, so don't assume we're alike in behavior as Communities.

Stardouser · 2012-09-03, 09:34 AM

As for the funeral thing, PS is a PVP GAME 100%. It may not be classy, but bannable? If SOE intends to provide official support to such an in game social event to the extent they would feel justified in banning people for attacking in a 100% PVP GAME, then it is incumbent upon them to set some ground rules. In game social functions like that should be discussed with your server's GM so that you can request support, such as the GMs turning off PVP for the area in which the social function is to be held.

Natir · 2012-09-03, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by basti

Lets make this clear for you:

Its clear that you got a clue how to play organized, and its good that way. Thats not the problem. It has absolutly nothing to do with the issue.

The issue is how you behave. In short, you are fucktarts and everyone hates you. Why? Because you folks are propably the most racist community i have ever seen in a game. And THAT is the problem. You may see it as dark humor, but it doesnt matter how you see it, but how everyone else sees it.
Nobody gives a damn how you behave inside your forums or on your TS, but its get problematic when you behave the same way in a public area (yes, your public section of your forums are a public area, as everyone can see them). You make yourself look like absolut idiots. Heck, you bombed a frigging funeral.

This is what you get. Enjoy it. It wont end unless you stop being fools.
You have a meeting today, dont you? I suggest you figure out that you need to STFU very quickly, then maybe your reputation changes from being a bunch of assholes to one of a good, organized outfit.

We won't change anytime soon. Read Buzz's statement, its public so I would have assumed you read it already, you can't take your eyes off our site! The problem you have here is simple, people do not like what words are used on our own forums. A judge would say, then do not go to their website. With how many billions of web pages out there, there are many choices of places to spend your time. The best part of all, we don't do it in-game and you won't see us doing it in PS2 or on their forums. So, in reality, who is trying to disrupt the SOE community? You!

I am going to go off on a little rant here. I looked at who posted this here, someone from BWC, an outfit that is clearly a rival and someone we have openly made fun of. Same thing goes with a majority of the negative comments here are from members in 666 Devil Dogs and members in TRG. Hamma already doesn't like us so it is fairly reasonable to see him posting. Now, since these outfits dislike us and the best part of all, who violated SOE's forum guidelines when posting spam in our recruitment thread? Not us, you! I do not want to go off and say someone from one of these organizations was the source of the Reddit post but it is a thought in the back of my mind. At the end of the day though, it is okay to dislike someone.

When did the Reddit post happen? After TotalBiscuit featured us at PAX on the live screen and uploaded the video to YouTube mentioning us. Not before this happened, after. Someone clearly didn't like seeing us get our 15 minutes of fame.

In life, you will find MANY people you disagree with and hate. If you consume yourself with hating us, your life is more than likely pretty negative and you have nothing better to do. For us, this has opened us up to so many new recruits it isn't even funny. Are we a PC friendly outfit? Hell no and we will never be. Don't like it? Too bad! You want to get rid of us? Good luck and have fun trying! All these things you do is just gives us more publicity. We will become way more famous than any of your outfits and for what, because someone didn't like us. In our country of America, free speech is something that is valued, free speech carries over to a lot of things. Free speech includes saying what ever you want on your own forum and your own Teamspeak server. Try and deny it but you cannot. You dislike us for doing that? Maybe you should filter our website with your parental controls that are already in place.

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

You mad? I know, it must really piss you off that I voted a black man into office.

And to conclude this, I voted for Obama.

thegreekboy · 2012-09-01, 11:47 PM

well...yea.

I thought everyone already knew the Enclave's character

Geist · 2012-09-01, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by thegreekboy

well...yea.

I thought everyone already knew the Enclave's character

No news there, it's more the outright condemnation by the President of SOE. o.o

IronMole · 2012-09-02, 12:09 AM

Meh, each to their own tbh.

FINALCUT · 2012-09-02, 01:06 AM

Went to thier forum and read some of the applications and the ones that were denied were a good indication of the level of maturity of that Buzzcut guy. That guy has a serious problem. From what I have heard he has body guards in game because people teamkill him on site.

I am having too much fun rolling with my outfit to waste my time on these people. I just hope to get him in my sights in game sometime but he doesn't seem to be in the front lines much. Guess its hard to lead troops into battle when you need to worry about getting fragged from your own team.

Hamma · 2012-09-02, 01:20 AM

Excellent post by Smed.