TR and NC

Beerbeer · 2012-12-02, 01:10 AM

Some people may take this the wrong way, but I really have no loyalties when it comes to empires. I'm actually playing TR quite a bit lately and got him up to BR 15 (my Nc guy is BR 22).

Here are my impressions so far:

The prowler is actually a really nice tank and the HE gun on that things blows away the vanguard HE gun by a huge margin. I really like the speed, the vanguard is a sloth. I would choose the prowler over any other tank farming infantry.

Really cant tell a difference between the mosquito and reaver, although I like the needler better than the default reaver gun.

I don't play HA as NC at all, but I do as a TR. This is where the biggest disparity lies, IMO. TR HA guns blows the living crap out of NC HA guns, generally speaking. I would really question anyone who thinks otherwise.

The nighthawk is really nice. I didn't realize it was auto at first, lol. I actually like it better than the mauler, now. Other than that, there really isn't too much of a difference in regards to LA, IMO.

TR pistol is my absolute favorite. I thought the rebel was nice, but this was before i had a good chance to use it for an extended period of time. It's like a mini machine gun.

Maxes: I would take the Nc max over the Tr max any day.

Don't take this wrong, but I've run across way more immature kids on the TR than the Nc. It could just be the two servers I'm on, but the average NC player seems older than the average Tr player, at least on the servers I'm on.

I'm enjoying my TR guy a lot. Probably will play him more. Oh, and for the record, yes I'm doing better playing TR than NC.

Phrygen · 2012-12-02, 01:19 AM

I would play NC on waterson more if they weren't getting decimating constantly. Its nice always having the warpgate next to you though when flying i reaver. Apparently totalbiscut and angryjoe told everyone who watches them they were going TR on that server, and now TR outnumber everyone.

Matheson seems more balanced faction wise. Being TR there is fine.

Basicly NC infantry so far has been a big let down. TR infantry is very nice.

Chewy · 2012-12-02, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Phrygen

I would play NC on waterson more if they weren't getting decimating constantly. Its nice always having the warpgate next to you though when flying i reaver. Apparently totalbiscut and angryjoe told everyone who watches them they were going TR on that server, and now TR outnumber everyone.

Matheson seems more balanced faction wise. Being TR there is fine.

Basicly NC infantry so far has been a big let down. TR infantry is very nice.

I didn't know AngryJoe was TR on Waterson as well as TB. That can explain a lot then as to why they seem to be so many in number.

To hell with them anyway. Im staying with NC and will enjoy the day I finally get to shoot them in the face. Better to have good opponents than farm weaklings any day.

Sifer2 · 2012-12-02, 02:55 AM

Just to make some corrections the Prowler is good at farming Infantry yes. But anything else, and it's far worse than the Vanguard or Magrider.

The TR pistol is better at close range. NC one is better a distance.

TR HA default gun might be better yes. NC unlock guns can be good. And before people whine remember TR Infiltrator has to buy Bolt Action, where as NC starts with it.

And yes the ScatMAX is infinitely more useful than Cycler MAX. Especially because of the Charge.

Sunrock · 2012-12-03, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Sifer2

Just to make some corrections the Prowler is good at farming Infantry yes. But anything else, and it's far worse than the Vanguard or Magrider.

Jup the Prowler has a hard time against any other time and I think the main reason for this is because the Prowler accuracy sucks. Not to mention the bullet drop. Or should I say shell drop?

Beerbeer · 2012-12-02, 01:23 AM

Yeah, doesn't matter if it's TR or NC, I'll leave the continent my empire is zerging. Too boring.

DDSHADE · 2012-12-02, 01:29 AM

I actually play TR 90% of the time, but find a few of the NC guns better.
I play VS as well and do far better than TR or NC for some reason. I would love to try dual Scatter max guns ... They pwn. Then again... so do dual Mercy DC maxes for TR.

I love the Mosquito, haven't gotten used to the Reaver yet but the Scythe is epic and totally unfair. As far as tanks go... the Prowler anchored mode has got to have an option to boost or something. Or increase fire rate without locking down.

I can't wait to see the balance once the buggies come out

Phrygen · 2012-12-02, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by DDSHADE

I love the Mosquito, haven't gotten used to the Reaver yet but the Scythe is epic and totally unfair. As far as tanks go... the Prowler anchored mode has got to have an option to boost or something. Or increase fire rate without locking down.

I can't wait to see the balance once the buggies come out

mossie feels more like an actual aircraft to me, and the scythe does have some nice handlings, but most of the best pilots agree the reaver is the best because of the thrust vectoring (your spacebar and A/S), which makes it turn faster than the others. Mossies do have a nice banking turn tho.

there is a bit of personal preference, and the best pilots can use all of them well, but the best pilots also claim the reaver is king. It helped when i put the first cert into dog fighting frame and got flares.

I still suck at flying though.

boogy · 2012-12-02, 08:09 AM

I play TR and feel VS are 10x tougher to fight than NC. I actually think VS are the most powerful faction. All I do is die to magriders and their infantry weapons are no way inferior to TR's. When pops are even the VS have no problem steam rolling everyone. I think buffing the NC's heavy weapons will help balance things better.

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

ShadetheDruid · 2012-12-02, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by boogy

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

For me, it's hard to say. Infantry-wise, the TR's Trac-5s and CARVs are giant pains in the arse, but the VS weapons still seem really powerful despite having less damage (which I guess is because of the accuracy they have, they hit nice and consistantly). I apparently fight VS a lot more, but despite that I get more annoyed by TR's weapons, especially when they can shoot me full auto at medium range.

Vehicle-wise though, definitely VS. Magriders are evil, Prowlers not so much (which isn't surprising, considering people say they're a bit weak and in need of a buff). I ride around in a Lightning a lot, and I get killed by more dumbfire HA rockets than I do Prowlers. Magriders on the other hand, I just run away (unless I can snipe them from a hill).

So i'd have to say it's situational, TR feel tougher to fight in an infantry battle (though it's close), VS in a ground vehicle battle. I can't speak to air, because I can't fly the aircraft very well.

Storn · 2012-12-03, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by boogy

I play TR and feel VS are 10x tougher to fight than NC. I actually think VS are the most powerful faction. All I do is die to magriders and their infantry weapons are no way inferior to TR's. When pops are even the VS have no problem steam rolling everyone. I think buffing the NC's heavy weapons will help balance things better.

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

I find there is nothing wrong with the NC weapon damage. The prob is people do too much spray and pray when they are meant to be burst fired (3-5 round burst at range). Then again it’s the same thing with the TR weapons up close I can just blaze but at medium to long I have to burst or most my rounds don’t land. The reason the VS feel so powerful is because they are middle of the road as far as balance. They have good fire rate and little to no drop off at range; all their bullets go extremely straight.

ShadetheDruid · 2012-12-03, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Storn

The prob is people do too much spray and pray when they are meant to be burst fired (3-5 round burst at range).

Actually the best thing to do at medium range with NC weapons is to just not bother, unless you've sidegraded to something with a bit more accuracy or just switched out entirely to something else (tip: if you're playing an NC heavy/engineer, the Warden is amazing). But burst fire doesn't cut it if your target doesn't have to burst fire.

I'm also on board with the people saying it's not so much the recoil that's the problem with NC weapons, it's the cone of fire.

HenchAnt · 2012-12-08, 03:54 PM

Thanks to the OP, that's a well written post trying to be fair.

Originally Posted by boogy

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

Actually, it feels like an uphill battle either way.

But I guess the VS feel tougher because of the vehicles.

What probably makes most of a difference is that VS on Miller seem to love their Scythes. I have no idea wether they are really that much better, or if it's just a fancy, but I see the sky more often dominated by VS planes than TR crafts. Besides the unique design, I would guess that it's the Scythes ability to quickly switch from hovering to evasion, which makes the farming of ground units quite newbie friendly. (And once enough EFTs are in the air, Liberators are having a field day.)

And the Magrider is probably the best anti-tank tank. It shoots really straight and is probably the easiest tank to hit with at a distance. And the low profile and the strafing ability make quite a bit harder to hit than a Prowler. But to be honest: I wouldn't want to trade my Vanguard with a Magrider.

Saintlycow · 2012-12-08, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by HenchAnt

Thanks to the OP, that's a well written post trying to be fair.

Actually, it feels like an uphill battle either way.

But I guess the VS feel tougher because of the vehicles.

What probably makes most of a difference is that VS on Miller seem to love their Scythes. I have no idea wether they are really that much better, or if it's just a fancy, but I see the sky more often dominated by VS planes than TR crafts. Besides the unique design, I would guess that it's the Scythes ability to quickly switch from hovering to evasion, which makes the farming of ground units quite newbie friendly. (And once enough EFTs are in the air, Liberators are having a field day.)

I think that air superiority is based on Pop.
TR usually have the highest pop on my server, so they can all pull mosquitoes, down other aircraft because they have a 3 to 1 advantage, and rocket pod the shit out of ground troops.

james · 2012-12-08, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by boogy

I play TR and feel VS are 10x tougher to fight than NC. I actually think VS are the most powerful faction. All I do is die to magriders and their infantry weapons are no way inferior to TR's. When pops are even the VS have no problem steam rolling everyone. I think buffing the NC's heavy weapons will help balance things better.

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

TR by a country mile, the carv is just crazy good, and their esf is just smh. I feel with the the TR so many times i'm on target first the guy turns around and booms kills me in half a sec with his carv. There default weapons are just to good