Higby on XP Changes

Hamma · 2013-01-30, 09:47 PM

Death2All · 2013-01-30, 09:55 PM

I don't even play PS2 and I know that lowering the XP/slowing cert gains isn't going to stop people from spawn camping.

They aren't even addressing the real issue. It's just typical SOE logic to dodge to problem and implement something that doesn't solve the issue at all.

PS: Spawn camping will always exist in games, get used to it.

Rat · 2013-01-30, 09:59 PM

spawn camping will still happen to stop defenders...but there should be less camping just to farm easy xp...we should see a quick spawn camp and a base flip...no more point in avoiding flipping the facility just farm spawning troops..

Deadeye · 2013-01-30, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rat

spawn camping will still happen to stop defenders...but there should be less camping just to farm easy xp...we should see a quick spawn camp and a base flip...no more point in avoiding flipping the facility just farm spawning troops..

We have long spawn camps because of the time it takes to take a base once the points are taken and the enemy is pushed back into their spawns not because we camp them for fun. Even once a battle is decided, say in a Biolab, it still takes several minutes of having to guard the damn spawn building while the base flips over.

If people camp AMS sunderers because they get points for it, that has been taken care of by the short invulnerability timers and low XP for newly spawned people that will make it more worthwhile to kill the sunderer than camp it but I and everyone else are still going to camp base spawns until either we can enter them and wipe out the tubes like we did in Planetside 1 or they impliment some sort of speed up so that if there doesn't look like anyone is going to retake the cap points, the progress bar moves faster to end the battle sooner.

Hamma · 2013-01-30, 10:17 PM

Honesty spawn camping is an inevitable thing, at least it won't be as profitable.

MrBloodworth · 2013-01-31, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Honesty spawn camping is an inevitable thing, at least it won't be as profitable.

It's not, really. To a point yes. But Spawn camping in its current form is 100% about the base designs. I am mainly speaking of outposts.

In PS1, if the spawns were being camped, and they were, the fight was already over, due to the location of the spawn rooms. Thankfully the tubes took damage. An act of mercy for the zerglings. In just about every other FPS in the world, the spawn is the last reachable place in the map, in terms of progression from one side to another.

In PS2, its ( Camp the spawn ) the first thing that happens, and that's due to the outposts designs.

Originally Posted by Rothnang

That thing got a lot of downvotes on the Roadmap so apparently they took it out of the patch.

Good, because quite frankly it was a stupid idea, that was just a side step from addressing the real issue. Outpost layouts.

Originally Posted by Babyfark McGeez

I still believe it's possible to take spawncamping as a integral "tactical" part out of the game with some creative thinking.
I mean i don't recall it being such a major game mechanic in ps1 (it was mostly just a short "cleaning burst" if i recall right), so i have a hard time accepting it as the most integral part of capturing a base here. Just seems a bit lazy and/or not fully thought through.

+1 to this man.

OCNSethy · 2013-01-30, 10:18 PM

Agreed - Camping will still continue as a suppression tactic.

However, it is good to see that at least one factor is being addressed in the feeding frenzy that is spawn camping.

MercDT · 2013-01-30, 11:15 PM

Knock it off?

How about adding a way to stop defenders from spawning when the battle is long overdue?

SeraphC · 2013-01-31, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by MercDT

How about adding a way to stop defenders from spawning when the battle is long overdue?

I remember them promising they would. At least for the spawns in bases.

I don't think the major point to dynamic exp is to stop spawn camping. They want to give you exp that better represents your achievements.

MaxDamage · 2013-02-02, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by MercDT

Knock it off?

How about adding a way to stop defenders from spawning when the battle is long overdue?

Yeah, they should add spawn generators or something.

OHSHI

Crator · 2013-01-30, 11:24 PM

XP changes sound like the right thing to do.

Good luck on getting people to knock off spawn camping though. If there's no SCU at the location it's going to happen. It's an objective to taking a location and should be treated as such. It's not something that should be discouraged by the game, it should be made difficult to spawn camp, to provide a sense of accomplishment in taking a location...

Rolfski · 2013-01-31, 01:15 AM

A tad faster XP gaining is welcome imo. It makes acquiring upgrades and weapons feel less like a grindfest for the average, casual players that (initially) don't want to spend money on the game which is smart.

JesNC · 2013-01-31, 03:38 AM

There's a difference between spawn camping to keep the defenders in check, and spawn camping for profit. One's necessary and totally legit, the other one's just lame.

I'm glad they're changing the 'for profit' part.

ShadetheDruid · 2013-01-31, 04:08 AM

Yeah, I don't get the negativity on this either. Even if spawn camping continues 100% (which will be hard, considering the XP changes are coming in at the same time as spawn room changes), it's still a good change. If people are going to spawn camp, the least we can do is not reward them massive XP for it.

Gatekeeper · 2013-01-31, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by ShadetheDruid

Yeah, I don't get the negativity on this either. Even if spawn camping continues 100% (which will be hard, considering the XP changes are coming in at the same time as spawn room changes), it's still a good change. If people are going to spawn camp, the least we can do is not reward them massive XP for it.

QFT

I agree that larger changes to bases and base-capture mechanics are probably required to remove spawn camping completely, but this change certainly doesn't hurt.