Need help with mythbusting.

Chewy · 2013-02-11, 11:10 PM

From all of the topics of nerf this, to much of that, and general accusing of UP and OP things Iv been wanting to see what can be done to prove them one way or another. So why not (try) and make videos to see for once and all just what happens in game and not on paper.

A fast google and youtube search found nothing like this after beta ended but one short video of a guy showing off a shotgun slugs. Is anyone willing to help with these videos? I can record with FRAPS and to a small point edit them (MS movie maker). What I need are bodies, things to test, and a way to talk with each other.

To do much of anything a team of at least 3 all on the same server is a must, 6 would be best (2 per faction or to get a few "many v 1" tests) to shave off a lot of time swapping factions and/or waiting for res/timers. There's already plenty of test that can be done from reading these forums so that can be a new topic for suggestions (if this gets enough people to get started). Then there's a way to talk with each other, that shouldn't be to hard if one has a TS or mumble server and there's always skype.

Do I have any takers? Just say yes and what server and faction your mains are on. BR1s can be used, but they wont have dual MAX weapons or any of the other subject OP/UP weapons without trials. As well as C4, mines, armors, or anything else that's a cert only buy.

people so far (will try to keep this up to date)
1- Chewy
Waterson - NC - Cheyw102 - BR 25

2- respire
Waterson - NC - R3SPIRE - BR 54

3- BIGGByran
Mattherson - TR - Malnius - BR11
SolTech - NC - Avious - BR 39

4- DaPope
Waterson - VS - DaPpoe - BR0(??)

5- Omnimon
Waterson - NC - Omnimon - BR 63

respire · 2013-02-12, 01:32 AM

I'm definitely willing to help.
Waterson - NC - R3SPIRE - BR 54
I'm willing to purchase whatever we need to test, plus 6 month membership+alpha squad boost should help me grind certs pretty quickly. I can likely get some members of [NCSO] in too if there's something to test that requires larger numbers of people.

capiqu · 2013-02-12, 02:27 AM

Great Idea. Work 6 Days a week 10 hours a day so I can't help but I will definitly watch your videos.

BIGGByran · 2013-02-12, 01:08 PM

Mattherson - TR - Malnius - BR11 (Dual Heavy Cycler)

Also my signature for my main.

Wish I could make a 4th

Baneblade · 2013-02-12, 01:11 PM

I'd help, but it looks like you have NC covered.

Rolfski · 2013-02-12, 02:03 PM

Great idea, although you can probably not test or prove everything. Lots of these accusations relate to things like recoil, flinching and other stuff you have to compensate for. Stuff that generally requires more skill to compensate are more easily considered UP or the other way around of course. No way you can myth bust this as raw stats don't say everything, nor does recorded simulations .

DaPope · 2013-02-12, 03:42 PM

I spend most my time killing [DVS] but I like the idea. Let me know when you want to do something, I could probably drag a few fellow Sentinels along to help.

BIGGByran · 2013-02-12, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

Great idea, although you can probably not test or prove everything. Lots of these accusations relate to things like recoil, flinching and other stuff you have to compensate for. Stuff that generally requires more skill to compensate are more easily considered UP or the other way around of course. No way you can myth bust this as raw stats don't say everything, nor does recorded simulations .

Flinching, everyone has it, it's not like 1 faction has it worse, so thats ok. Recoil on the other hand is different. Then player skill, but we can eliminate some of that by just not moving, so the skill for the player would be trying to keep the cross hair on the target. But multiple test should give us a good average.

Chewy · 2013-02-13, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

Great idea, although you can probably not test or prove everything. Lots of these accusations relate to things like recoil, flinching and other stuff you have to compensate for. Stuff that generally requires more skill to compensate are more easily considered UP or the other way around of course. No way you can myth bust this as raw stats don't say everything, nor does recorded simulations .

Originally Posted by BIGGByran

Flinching, everyone has it, it's not like 1 faction has it worse, so thats ok. Recoil on the other hand is different. Then player skill, but we can eliminate some of that by just not moving, so the skill for the player would be trying to keep the cross hair on the target. But multiple test should give us a good average.

More or less what BIGG said. Skill based actions such as recoil control and target tracking can't be used to tell what is OP/UP but they're not going to be the focus on most things. Example would be

Test- How cross-eyed are MAX weapons
How done- Stand at X meters and fire at standing target (no accounting for drop) and count the number of hits V shots fired. Repeat every +10 meters and do all tests a 2nd time with drop accounted for if needed.

Another would be

Test- How much damage is done by X weapon at Y meters
How done- While crouched, fire one round at a time for 100% hit rate at Y meters. Repeat every +10 or +5 meters. Redo all test at least 3 times for weapons with RBS (random bullet spread) that act one even first shot fired (shotguns mostly).

You don't even need to kill for something like that. Fire at a mana turret and repair/restock ammo when needed. If the turret lives it can even kinda tell you it's HP by the icon. The shield would be the only thing to think about and it can be removed or turned away.

-Baneblade-
NC might be coverd, but with a game as massive as PS2 and the shear amount of players one can fight at once even stock BR1s can be used to get data. I mainly asked for characters of rank because they will be more likely to have a mixed bag of weapons so that farming and paying for SC isn't needed as much as most would have spent SC on things that they wanted already in the last 3X sale for their higher BR troops. BR1s can be used to cover factions stock weapons and to be a way to cheat the trail system into being able to get the same weapon more than once a month if none already have it. That's another reason why Mana Turrets are likely going to be the main targets as they won't loose trail weapons on death. A trail is over on any death at the end of the timer, even if you get revived. But don't die and you'll never loose the trail weapon, even on a class change if the new class also equips and uses that trail weapon.

The biggest problem other than getting a group together is to get other people willing to be tested on like I am

. Id be able to do damn near every test alone if the VR room was in game and it had test dummies with HP values. Till then we have to get people of different factions together and find places where we wont be killed doing so.

(long post even longer)
It looks like we could have the people to get a few things done as a start. What say you guys to this Saturday or Sunday as the first recording/s? We still need a TR rep on Waterson (sorry BIGG

) for non-stock gear. But I have a BR1 TR and VS for stock stuff and a trail weapon each.

Chewy · 2013-02-14, 02:12 PM

Don't mind me, I just a bump in hope of getting more help.

Pella · 2013-02-14, 02:16 PM

Test- How much damage is done by X weapon at Y meters
How done- While crouched, fire one round at a time for 100% hit rate at Y meters. Repeat every +10 or +5 meters. Redo all test at least 3 times for weapons with RBS (random bullet spread) that act one even first shot fired (shotguns mostly).

Just FYI damage from weapons is exactly the same at 1m, to 50m Depending on range of the gun of course.

Omnimon · 2013-02-14, 03:17 PM

Sure i'll help,

I've got everything except for Ext mags on grinders , and working on 4% bullet resistance ( should get it within the next day or two ) .

Chewy · 2013-02-14, 03:40 PM

Tomorrow I'll send out PMs to everyone that's listed with what Id like to get done for the first recording. It shouldn't be to much, just a bunch of easy things like showing off some things that should be basic information as a start. Thinking of going for a MAX v MAX and MAX v infantry at varying ranges as a start plus maybe getting real in game numbers on the new AV Mana Turret.

I (and we) need to get a list of things people bitch the most about. Reading back a few pages should give enough topics to fill up a few 10 minute videos depending on the amount detail we go into.

Chewy · 2013-02-15, 06:06 PM

I sent out PMs to those on the Waterson server that said they could help out. Might be able to get footage this weekend, might not. Can't say till then.

Baneblade and BIGGByran-
You're still welcome to help out, but I just wanted to get word out to those I have best odds for first.