Certain Vehicle Weapons Too Effective

Tom Peters · 2013-04-02, 03:52 AM

I've noticed there's a few vehicle weapons that are just too effective at killing things they aren't meant to be good against.

Specifically, the Flash Fury is supposed to be good versus armor, but in reality, it one-shots infantry and has 5 quick firing grenades with good splash. Infantry get destroyed by it.

The Liberator's main Tank Burster gun is another, and it decimates ESF's in a single clip. I was shocked the first time a liberator gunned me up with one of these, and to find out they only cost 100 certs...

Finally, the rocket launchers on the MBTs secondary seat. I'll admit, I'm not entirely familiar with them, but it says they are supposed to good versus armor, and they also one-shot infantry. It just seems too be too much.

Gatekeeper · 2013-04-02, 03:56 AM

Yeah, this kind of thing is definitely a big problem with the game - for some reason anti-vehicle weapons are generally also very strong AI weapons.

The Phalanx wall-turrets are a great example: AV Phalanx turrets are actually much stronger versus infantry than the AI turrets - while also being murder to ground vehicles - whose idea of balance is that?

Dumbfire rocket launchers being a powerful AI weapon is another good one - does the Heavy really need this?

Rothnang · 2013-04-02, 04:04 AM

An ESF should never get hit with a tankbuster. Seriously, it's a damn Liberator, its maneuverability is somewhere between a beached whale and a glacier compared to an ESF. If you're in front of it... ... just stop being in front of it and go somewhere where it doesn't have a tank killing weapon mounted.

DarkBalths · 2013-04-02, 05:08 AM

The Fury was nerfed against armour a long time ago. It's meant to be more of an anti-infantry weapon.

Koadster · 2013-04-02, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Rothnang

An ESF should never get hit with a tankbuster. Seriously, it's a damn Liberator, its maneuverability is somewhere between a beached whale and a glacier compared to an ESF. If you're in front of it... ... just stop being in front of it and go somewhere where it doesn't have a tank killing weapon mounted.

Guess u haven't seen competent lib pilots. Go watch future crews twitch. They sometimes roll just 1/3 libs because of how effective the tank buster is.

Watching a lib nose dive and dump its buster mag into my lvl5 blockade armour sundie and its now on fire.

Rothnang · 2013-04-02, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Koadster

Guess u haven't seen competent lib pilots. Go watch future crews twitch. They sometimes roll just 1/3 libs because of how effective the tank buster is.

Watching a lib nose dive and dump its buster mag into my lvl5 blockade armour sundie and its now on fire.

Ok, let me clarify. I kill fighters with my tankbuster all the time, but it's not because I'm super competent at it, it's because they are idiots who fly straight at me, and the Liberator crushes any fighter in a straight up contest of "Who's got the bigger gun?". The second they have that epiphany of "Hey, maybe the front of the Liberator is the worst place to attack" and they start going up or down or even just simply turn around and leave they will not die to a tankbuster.

And a 42 round tankbuster magazine does NOT set a blockade armor sundy on fire in one go. It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Sunderer and you need to be incredibly close to hit with all the bullets, and not suffer big dropoff.

Originally Posted by Assist

And a MAX should never get hit with a c4. Welcome to Planetside 2, where controlled environments don't exist.

Should never get hit doesn't mean "never gets hit", it just means that if you were aware of the enemy at the time of being hit then it was your own actions that enabled them to do so. Flying straight at a Liberator or not dashing away from a guy with a brick in his hand, either way, if you saw it coming you could have avoided it.

Assist · 2013-04-02, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rothnang

An ESF should never get hit with a tankbuster. Seriously, it's a damn Liberator, its maneuverability is somewhere between a beached whale and a glacier compared to an ESF. If you're in front of it... ... just stop being in front of it and go somewhere where it doesn't have a tank killing weapon mounted.

And a MAX should never get hit with a c4. Welcome to Planetside 2, where controlled environments don't exist.

MrMak · 2013-04-02, 05:12 AM

Oh yeah. The Enforcer will kill infantry in one hit........if you can actualy reliably hit moving infantry with a no splash damage rocket. The Halbard has a bit more spplash butthe rocket is slower and has more drop.

PredatorFour · 2013-04-02, 07:39 AM

It's all because battlefield had the one hit kill rocket launchers so blame that.

And Rothnang, i understand your view point but you obviously havnt seen a good lib crew do that. Calling people bad for getting killed like that is tosh, it happens ... albiet rarely.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-04-02, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Peters

I've noticed there's a few vehicle weapons that are just too effective at killing things they aren't meant to be good against.

Specifically, the Flash Fury is supposed to be good versus armor, but in reality, it one-shots infantry and has 5 quick firing grenades with good splash. Infantry get destroyed by it.

The Liberator's main Tank Burster gun is another, and it decimates ESF's in a single clip. I was shocked the first time a liberator gunned me up with one of these, and to find out they only cost 100 certs...

Finally, the rocket launchers on the MBTs secondary seat. I'll admit, I'm not entirely familiar with them, but it says they are supposed to good versus armor, and they also one-shot infantry. It just seems too be too much.

Im cool with all these weapons. I dont see a reason to nerf any of this. Secondary weapons SHOULD be powerful in a tank to entice a second crew member.
Tank buster nose gun should be powerful because the lib is as slow as the hills.

I dont see a problem either with dumbfire missiles. Personally Ive never been farmed by dumbfire missiles. Ive been killed by them once or twice.

psijaka · 2013-04-02, 07:50 AM

As if the Liberator is OP against an ESF.

Note to self- must try the Fury out in the VR zone.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-04-02, 07:55 AM

Psijaka Im going to try out the flash fury as well. That looks like a hell of a good time buzzing around in an unarmored quad blowing shit up.

psijaka · 2013-04-02, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sledgecrushr

Psijaka Im going to try out the flash fury as well. That looks like a hell of a good time buzzing around in an unarmored quad blowing shit up.

There's only one thing better than buzzing around in an unarmoured quad blowing shit up and that is buzzing around in a cloaked unarmoured quad blowing shit up

Mordelicius · 2013-04-04, 03:26 AM

Flashes aren't that bad since they are very brittle. They go down with one AV direct hit. Although upgraded, I've seen one tank a launcher hit with almost half more xp.

I only thing I can see go out of hand is the cloaking part.

Rothnang · 2013-04-04, 05:37 AM

Funny thing... Flashes are the hardest ground vehicle to kill with a tankbuster.