The Jackhammer

RykerStruvian · 2013-04-25, 09:13 PM

Whats the point of the Jackhammer? Other shotguns, excluding pump action shotguns, are comparable to the Jackhammer if not better at being shotguns than the Jackhammer. The Jackhammer has a further range than the other shotguns, but considering the magazine size and the amount of shots it takes outside of close-range (would take about 3-4 shots), it makes the Jackhammer a poor choice in comparison to other close-to-medium range guns, like SMGs.

So whats the point of the Jackhammer? It only fits one attachment, it is out-damaged by other shotguns at close range, and it is out-damaged by other guns at further ranges. It doesn't really serve a purpose or am I missing something?

Yes, it can fire off three rounds in a quick burst but it doesn't make sense. It takes one shot to the head to kill infantry at close range or two to the torso at close range. Three round burst is only really viable against MAXs, but even then you would use something like a decimator.

I just don't see a point in using it. For being a faction special its bad :l

DirtyBird · 2013-04-25, 09:21 PM

And thats why 99.9% dont use it.
Its shit.

MercDT · 2013-04-25, 09:29 PM

Yeah...I just don't SOE ever doing anything about it. I feel it's more of a balancing issue now more than ever and that they're just afraid of making any tweaks to it due to all the shotgun negativity that has been going around lately.

So we're stuck with a faction specific shitgun for now.

ThatGoatGuy · 2013-04-25, 09:34 PM

And we have the MCG, GOML

Ghoest9 · 2013-04-25, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by ThatGoatGuy

And we have the MCG, GOML

Stop whining about the MCG.

Its not great but its not bad either - it has a niche.
The Jackhammer simply is worse than then other shotguns. It has no specific situation where you would ever choose it.

that said - it doesnt really matter - its just kind of lame

MGP · 2013-04-26, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Stop whining about the MCG.

Its not great but its not bad either - it has a niche.
The Jackhammer simply is worse than then other shotguns. It has no specific situation where you would ever choose it.

that said - it doesnt really matter - its just kind of lame

As well MGC is worse then other LMGs. What were you saying about its niche again?

ThatGoatGuy · 2013-04-26, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Stop whining about the MCG.

Its not great but its not bad either - it has a niche.
The Jackhammer simply is worse than then other shotguns. It has no specific situation where you would ever choose it.

that said - it doesnt really matter - its just kind of lame

This comment is so ignorant that all I can do is this...

I'm not saying either of the heavy faction specific weapons is better than the other, I'm just saying that each is equally hard to use. I would have to say I feel the worst for the VS, their gun doesn't even do direct damage!

Ghoest9 · 2013-04-26, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by ThatGoatGuy

This comment is so ignorant that all I can do is this...

Funny Black Guy Laughing - YouTube

!

In other words you dont actually have a point - youre just trying to vaguely promote the lie that TR is at a disadvantage.

Dragonskin · 2013-04-26, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by ThatGoatGuy

I'm not saying either of the heavy faction specific weapons is better than the other, I'm just saying that each is equally hard to use. I would have to say I feel the worst for the VS, their gun doesn't even do direct damage!

Haha, ok... you are in The Enclave. Your fearless leader went out of his way one day to try to show how bad the MCG was before the buff that was supposed to fix spin up. He goes on kill spree after kill spree all while mowing down people and talking about how terrible the MCG is.

Sorry, but Buzzcut isn't a super skillful player. That is why he always gravitates to whatever gives him an edge and he freely admits that.

I would link the recording, but it looks like I can't get to any of his recording right now. He spent 45 minutes to an hour killing people with only the MCG.

Anyway, back on topic. The Jackhammer isn't terrible.. it's just not great. I was actually killed by one last night at a good range... for a shotgun it's range is impressive. As for why that is a good thing.. you can kill things at multiple ranges without switching weapons. The pump shotguns are nice, but outside like 20m they are crap while the Jackhammer will still hit people fairly reliably. 3 shot burst is nice to cut down on burning through ammo so quickly. Could it use a buff? Probably. The MCG needs it's spin up fixed, but after that it would be pretty beast.. just the model still sucks and could use a animation update like the Lasher received.

If I played NC I would probably own one.

ThatGoatGuy · 2013-04-26, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

In other words you dont actually have a point - youre just trying to vaguely promote the lie that TR is at a disadvantage.

Maybe you just can't read...

Originally Posted by ThatGoatGuy

I'm not saying either of the heavy faction specific weapons is better than the other, I'm just saying that each is equally hard to use. I would have to say I feel the worst for the VS, their gun doesn't even do direct damage!

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

Haha, ok... you are in The Enclave. Your fearless leader went out of his way one day to try to show how bad the MCG was before the buff that was supposed to fix spin up. He goes on kill spree after kill spree all while mowing down people and talking about how terrible the MCG is.

Sorry, but Buzzcut isn't a super skillful player. That is why he always gravitates to whatever gives him an edge and he freely admits that.

I would link the recording, but it looks like I can't get to any of his recording right now. He spent 45 minutes to an hour killing people with only the MCG.

Did I ever say ANYTHING relating to TE or BuzzCutPsycho in any way? No, I clearly did not. I am claiming that the MCG is bad, the Jackhammer is bad, and the lasher is bad. I am not claiming ANY of them is good, that one is better. I THINK THEY ARE ALL TERRIBLE. This claiming that because I'm in TE immediately means that I suck buzz's dick when it comes to any of his opinions, well quite frankly it is ridiculous and please proceed to do suck one yourself.

WSNeo · 2013-04-27, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

Haha, ok... you are in The Enclave. Your fearless leader went out of his way one day to try to show how bad the MCG was before the buff that was supposed to fix spin up. He goes on kill spree after kill spree all while mowing down people and talking about how terrible the MCG is.

Sorry, but Buzzcut isn't a super skillful player. That is why he always gravitates to whatever gives him an edge and he freely admits that.

I would link the recording, but it looks like I can't get to any of his recording right now. He spent 45 minutes to an hour killing people with only the MCG.

Anyway, back on topic. The Jackhammer isn't terrible.. it's just not great. I was actually killed by one last night at a good range... for a shotgun it's range is impressive. As for why that is a good thing.. you can kill things at multiple ranges without switching weapons. The pump shotguns are nice, but outside like 20m they are crap while the Jackhammer will still hit people fairly reliably. 3 shot burst is nice to cut down on burning through ammo so quickly. Could it use a buff? Probably. The MCG needs it's spin up fixed, but after that it would be pretty beast.. just the model still sucks and could use a animation update like the Lasher received.

If I played NC I would probably own one.

LOL

moosepoop · 2013-04-25, 09:39 PM

they should make it more like the classic jackhammer in ps1, 3 hit kill with 20 round magazine.

NapalmEnima · 2013-04-25, 09:56 PM

I recall Higby saying they're doing a balancing pass on a number of the existing weapons. The MCG is supposed to start firing immediately and increase it's rate of fire as it spins up. I suspect the JH will get some luv too.

In PS1, it just had the sweeper to be compare to... now, with the shorter TTK. The jackhammer would have to be pretty goddam deadly to out-do the pump action shotguns. Like... "broken" deadly. A piston with a 10+ round magazine that did more damage and was better over range. "Broken" deadly.

So do you nerf the other shotguns to make the JH stand out (and deal with the wailing and gnashing of teeth sure to follow), or make the jackhammer an unbelievably deadly super weapon (and deal with the wailing etc etc)? Maybe it should launch velociraptors instead.

Good game balance is not easy. I sometimes feel a little bad for game designers... then I come to my senses and realize THEY WORK IN THE GAME INDUSTRY.