I stand corrected by the Harasser

Rolfski · 2013-06-12, 01:39 PM

Just before it was released, I started a topic about the tactical value of the Harasser. I had my doubts back then, mainly because you had to trade in a driver and I was not sure what a single Harasser could do what two Flashes or two Lightnings couldn't do.
Obviously to say, I stand corrected now, that thing is borderline OP.

Max out your turbo and composite armor, put a Halberd on it and you can become a tank hunter with that thing, its just too fast and too tanky for tanks to properly respond.
The average life span of a Sunderer has now officially been halved and these vehicles have become impossible to protect.
And with a magazine maxed out Fury on it, you rape through entire squads like nobody's business while road-killing like a boss.

Recently, a few team mates went to town with that thing and got an Auraxium metal within a day or so and on reddit you frequently hear about people getting 300+ kill strikes with it.

So yes, that the Harasser has definitely proved its value: It's probably the no 1 kill farmer now.

maradine · 2013-06-12, 01:44 PM

I'm a little miffed that it does almost everything an MBT does better than an MBT, but not enough to not use it. So I guess there's that.

PredatorFour · 2013-06-12, 02:09 PM

Que Flavour of the month playstyle followed by OP threads. I had one of these harrass my magrider earlier... they died

Rbstr · 2013-06-12, 02:13 PM

I like the Harrasser, but really disagree with your conclusion.
It's good at some things and lots of fun to drive around but it's certainly not capable of more destruction than a tank. It's only got half the guns, no where near the armor.
There's never really been a situation my Sauron(or Halberd) Harasser can farm that my Sauron Mag couldn't have done.
And as a mag driver I've never had much problem dealing with them except in larger groups.

Now in a lightning things are a bit more even.

Rolfski · 2013-06-12, 05:49 PM

oops double post

Wahooo · 2013-06-12, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

As on the whole dedicated driver discussion, which I could have known a topic like this in a forum like this would turn into: It's irrelevant.
If something is borderline OP or downright OP with a dedicated driver, that really doesn't change the balance discussion imo. Dedicated driver balance discussions should always be around the topic how balanced it is vs two single player vehicles imo.

How is it irrelevant?
You honestly believe the dedicated driver/separate gunner is not a factor in this vehicle being a good choice?

You believe that this harasser if you removed the gunner and made it driver-gunned would still be the same level of borderline OP? crazy talk, the whole reason this vehicle is useful at all is the separate driver gunner so how is that NOT the main talking point?
This vehicle compares to two lightnings how? or three if you count the rumble seat right? So if it is borderline OP why would 3 people choose this over 3 lightnings? Because the separate driver gunner allows the use of the vehicles mobility. Fully relevant.

maradine · 2013-06-12, 06:39 PM

And there the thread goes, charging into the abyss.

Rolfski · 2013-06-13, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by maradine

And there the thread goes, charging into the abyss.

You can never start a vehicle topic in this forum without some one trying to hijack it into a "we need PS1-like dedicated drivers" discussion, even if it's irrelevant for the discussion. Kinda sad imo but I've learned to live with it.

I'm not shouting out loud that the Harasser needs a nerf btw. It should stay a fun vehicle to play and if any rebalancing needs to be redone on it, it should probably be on the counter side, like making Sunderers a bit more survivable.

Rolfski · 2013-06-12, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

There's never really been a situation my Sauron(or Halberd) Harasser can farm that my Sauron Mag couldn't have done.

You know that Saurons on Magriders are as borderline OP, right?

As on the whole dedicated driver discussion, which I could have known a topic like this in a forum like this would turn into: It's irrelevant.
If something is borderline OP or downright OP with a dedicated driver no matter what, that really doesn't change the balance discussion imo. Dedicated driver balance discussions should always be around the topic how balanced it is vs two single player vehicles imo.

GS Ourous · 2013-06-12, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

Now in a lightning things are a bit more even.

If the lightning driver has any idea what he's doing at all, the harrasser is toast.

Figment · 2013-06-12, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by GS Ourous

If the lightning driver has any idea what he's doing at all, the harrasser is toast.

Depends on a lot of factors. Too many to outright claim the Lightning would win.

In fact, can't think of many where it should, considering the three in that vehicle should know what they are doing as well and unlike the Lightning, they fire accurately on the move.

GS Ourous · 2013-06-12, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

Depends on a lot of factors. Too many to outright claim the Lightning would win.

In fact, can't think of many where it should, considering the three in that vehicle should know what they are doing as well and unlike the Lightning, they fire accurately on the move.

Since the introduciton of harrassers, the lightning should never be alone.

1 Lightning > 1[2/3]Harrasser /or/ 1[1/2]Harrasser
2 Lightnings > 1[3/3]Harrasser /or/ 2[2/3]Harrassers
1 Lightning + 2 Support > 1[3/3]Harrasser /or/ 2[2/3]Harrassers
8 Lightnings + 4 Support > 4[3/3]Harrasers

If there is an equal number of players, the lightning[s] will win every time

Wahooo · 2013-06-12, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by GS Ourous

Since the introduciton of harrassers, the lightning should never be alone.

1 Lightning > 1[2/3]Harrasser /or/ 1[1/2]Harrasser
2 Lightnings > 1[3/3]Harrasser /or/ 2[2/3]Harrassers
1 Lightning + 2 Support > 1[3/3]Harrasser /or/ 2[2/3]Harrassers
8 Lightnings + 4 Support > 4[3/3]Harrasers

If there is an equal number of players, the lightning[s] will win every time

Which is why people see harassers out on the field and pull lightnings to counter them right? or ... well no they don't.
This thread was started based on the claim the harasser is borderline OP and references reported massive kill streaks. Nothing of the sort from lightnings. So if lightnings pwn harassers every time... why aren't those same skilled harasser crews taking lightnings and dominating the battle field? where are the lightnings are OP threads?

The mobility of the harasser is a game changer. There is ONE reason it is able to kill with so much mobility.

Binkley · 2013-06-12, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by GS Ourous

If the lightning driver has any idea what he's doing at all, the harasser is toast.

I'm calling BS here. A good harasser [2/3] team will eat any single Lightning for lunch every single time. The harasser's driver + gunner cannot be overcome by the poor Lightning driver, who cannot drive evasively while shooting accurately. The faster harasser will run circles around the Lightning, killing it in short order.

Wahooo · 2013-06-12, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

So yes, that the Harasser has definitely proved its value: It's probably the no 1 kill farmer now.

um... how about the harasser has proved that dedicated drivers are everything that the PS1 crowd has been saying they are since pre-tech test when we heard that MBTs would have dirver as the main gunner?

The harasser as a platform is not that powerful or great compared to an MBT... IF a typical MBT had a dedicated driver... or the mag had a similar set-up to PS1 where the driver's gun was more of a secondary gun and a gunner had the turret.