So is C4 getting nerfed or not?

mrmrmrj · 2013-07-18, 10:21 AM

I have read a few people alleging this. We need details.

EvilNinjadude · 2013-07-18, 10:36 AM

Nope.

KarrdeBRBU · 2013-07-18, 11:26 AM

C4 better not be getting nerfed. C4 is really not a problem. First, it's crazy expensive. Second, it goes away when you respawn (which I think is silly). Instead they should just give the detonator a much smaller range so you have to be close enough to use it. Ergo I die before detonating it on that sundy, I need to get back into the same close range to blow it. You shouldn't lose 200 res like that. Third it takes quite a long time once dropped to actually detonate it.

Yes, it one shots MAX Suits. This is not OP considering what a MAX can do. Also it's a good counter to a MAX with engineers all over them. The only other serious threats to a MAX are Decimators and stock launchers in groups. Also, observant MAXes can easilly get out of the way before detonation. The problem is most people simply are oblivious.

Yes it can one shot tanks with 2 bricks (200 res btw). Again, this is not a problem. If you're standing still long enough for me to jump off the base/hill/mountain, jump jet down, plant 2 c4, and get to a safe distance before blowing you up, you deserved it for making really bad decisions. Keep moving. At best, if you move, I'm gonna get you with one brick if I'm well positioned.

Long/short, C4 is a powerful tool. It's also crazy expensive to use on a regular basis. Also a lot of kills with it are on people who simply lack the situational awareness to see what I'm doing, and I'm not exactly being subtle about it.

*edit*

Also, overall, I think the game, barring some silly changes made in the last while, is actually very well balanced at this stage. Now I wish more players would stop FotM/4th factioning and actually join TR on Matherson so the pops get better evened out.

Canaris · 2013-07-18, 11:49 AM

Not.............. yet

Rahabib · 2013-07-18, 11:58 AM

Things like this generally get put in the patch notes after the fact. So its anyone's guess at this point. I don't believe there are any changes on the PTS, but then again, I never used the PTS to tell you

AuntLou · 2013-07-18, 12:08 PM

Yeah I agree C4 is fine as is. Not sure who's bright idea it was to nerf it.

Stew · 2013-07-30, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by AuntLou

Yeah I agree C4 is fine as is. Not sure who's bright idea it was to nerf it.

Some TR tanks farmers one is call EliteEskimo on the official forums

mrmrmrj · 2013-07-18, 12:22 PM

I agree it doesn't need to be adjusted. I probably die more often trying to place it than I get kills with it.

typhaon · 2013-07-18, 01:35 PM

For the love of Auraxis...

Everyone is OBSERVANT! The FOV is only so big. You can only look in so many places at once. It takes all of an instant for a LA to drop down - sprint - fly over to you, toss a C4 and BOOM!

I don't really have a problem with it vs. MAX units... it's a counter and though it can be annoying as #@$% - I get it.

I do find it problematic vs. MBT, though.

A class that flies, uses shotguns, sprints, and drops mega-bombs.... it's a bit much.

Palerion · 2013-07-18, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by typhaon

For the love of Auraxis...

Everyone is OBSERVANT! The FOV is only so big. You can only look in so many places at once. It takes all of an instant for a LA to drop down - sprint - fly over to you, toss a C4 and BOOM!

I don't really have a problem with it vs. MAX units... it's a counter and though it can be annoying as #@$% - I get it.

I do find it problematic vs. MBT, though.

A class that flies, uses shotguns, sprints, and drops mega-bombs.... it's a bit much.

Yeah, a class that sprints? That's just ridiculous.

But really it's a hard maneuver to pull off. If an MBT is not observant and is camping somewhere stationary, it deserves to blow up. If a sundy is not being defended, same deal.

typhaon · 2013-07-18, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Palerion

Yeah, a class that sprints? That's just ridiculous.

But really it's a hard maneuver to pull off. If an MBT is not observant and is camping somewhere stationary, it deserves to blow up. If a sundy is not being defended, same deal.

LA has extra speed.

If you were not aware, sorry.

Palerion · 2013-07-18, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by typhaon

LA has extra speed.

If you were not aware, sorry.

If you were not aware, an LA has to give up his suit slot for extra sprint speed, and even then the speed increase is mild at best. It's not like the LA comes and goes at the speed of a flash. It just gives MBTs and sundies something to think about when they farm infantry, camp spawns, and park too close to the enemy. Again, a sundie or tank that doesn't see it coming probably deserves to blow up.

RANDOMpercent · 2013-07-19, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by typhaon

LA has extra speed.

If you were not aware, sorry.

The extra speed is from a possible slot. But it only increases speed by a marginal amount only when sprinting that's really only noticeable when travelling long distance. Most people use Nanoweave or Flak instead.

P.S. I also forgot the recent changes to drifter jets that increases LA speed, but if their using that then they can't fly over the tank from the ground.

RobUK · 2013-07-19, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Palerion

But really it's a hard maneuver to pull off. If an MBT is not observant and is camping somewhere stationary, it deserves to blow up. If a sundy is not being defended, same deal.

I keep reading this here, on Reddit and on the official forums.

I don't have a problem with C4, I use it myself quite a lot. But I don't see the point in keep on pretending that it's difficult to blow MBT's up with it. Sure, there are some times when it's a very silly thing to try, but more often than not I find that I have the advantage over vehicles unless it's out in the big wide open field.

C4 needs to stay as it is because it's pretty much the only hard counter to MBT's and without it the tank zergs would be even worse than they are now.

But it is pleasingly simple and very rewarding exp wise to use against them and not as tricky as some people would like others to believe.

Rahabib · 2013-07-18, 01:48 PM

IMO, damage could go down a bit. I think 2 should make the vehicle smoke not gib. That way the driver can/has to get out and the LA has to kill the driver. Its a bit more fair but 2 will still get you points if you can take out the driver (likely an engy) trying to fix it.