Cost of Vehicles

capiqu · 2013-08-08, 01:06 AM

Does anyone else feel that vehicles are way to expensive. I mean I spent a ton of certs to bring my acquisition timer to 5 minutes for what?
Now I have to wait until I get 450 mech resources. I mean at least make the MBT armor a little stronger so they can last a little longer.

KesTro · 2013-08-08, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by capiqu

Does anyone else feel that vehicles are way to expensive. I mean I spent a ton of certs to bring my acquisition timer to 5 minutes for what?
Now I have to wait until I get 450 mech resources. I mean at least make the MBT armor a little stronger so they can last a little longer.

I imagine the resource costs are more in line for when they do their whole resource update which will completely get rid of Acquisition timers as I understand it. So cert refunds incoming I'd assume.

ringring · 2013-08-08, 06:19 AM

I think the cost of a sundy is too much, considering how hard they are targeted and rightly so.

MBT feel ok to me and like you I've put a lot of certs into reducing the cooldowns for them and for Lightnings too.

With an MBT the only problem (for me) comes when I've rolled up to an outpost on Esamir and then I'm faced with the question of 'do I get out of my tank to fight indoors and lose it because it deconns or do I go in'. - Generally I hit a middle position, if I have resources to replace it I'll go in but if I don't I'll hang on outside.

Phaden · 2013-08-08, 09:21 AM

This is unsubstantiated hearsay, but I think I recall the devs mentioning that with the increased costing of the mbt's they would be re-assessing the strength of the units to potentially add more hardiness to them. But I have no proof to back this up, just rusty memory.

Calista · 2013-08-08, 10:30 AM

Cost would be better justified if vehicles were a bit tougher. They are just too flimsy as it is.

Timealude · 2013-08-08, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Calista

Cost would be better justified if vehicles were a bit tougher. They are just too flimsy as it is.

they were already buffed, if your a decent tank driver you shouldnt have a problem killing any infantry that is trying to kill you. (except maybe strikes and phoenix rockets which dont render unless the person is rendered themselves.)

Baneblade · 2013-08-09, 06:35 AM

Can't make MBTs any stronger as long as the driver is the main gunner. And this coming from someone who spends 95% of his PS2 time in a Vanguard.

ringring · 2013-08-09, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Can't make MBTs any stronger as long as the driver is the main gunner. And this coming from someone who spends 95% of his PS2 time in a Vanguard.

I think the same and like you I spend a lot of time in my tank.

Redshift · 2013-08-11, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Can't make MBTs any stronger as long as the driver is the main gunner. And this coming from someone who spends 95% of his PS2 time in a Vanguard.

^This

We've said this from day 1, lightning should be 1 man, MBT two be 2 man and over twice as tough.

Fenrys · 2013-08-08, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by ringring

'do I get out of my tank to fight indoors and lose it because it deconns or do I go in'. - Generally I hit a middle position, if I have resources to replace it I'll go in but if I don't I'll hang on outside.

I think I remember reading somewhere that the devs were planning to implement a partial resource refund for manually deconstructing your vehicle (assuming it has not been damaged recently).

Calista · 2013-08-08, 01:50 PM

That's part of this games issue in retaining new players. It is easy to see this game has a high turnover rate among new guys. The skill ceiling is a bit high basically across the board. I suppose that is the natural progression of things with those that do stick around getting better and better gear so the balance naturally progresses in that direction. A new guy in this game gets frustrated quick because of it. Once he logs in and tries things out that get destroyed so quickly he is then out of resources and forced into a gameplay style he may not desire, logoff and never come back. Meanwhile all the higher br guys are all modded up and the game is setup for balance for them. And I know the party line "Join an outfit!", well for a new guy to this genre that is very intimidating at first. I don't know an easy fix but maybe making vehicles tougher would help. Just a suggestion.

PredatorFour · 2013-08-08, 01:52 PM

Yeh the cost of vehicles can be frustrating at times to even vets of the game. Never thought of the new guys, i'd imagine alot don't like the game because of it.

ringring · 2013-08-08, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by PredatorFour

Yeh the cost of vehicles can be frustrating at times to even vets of the game. Never thought of the new guys, i'd imagine alot don't like the game because of it.

Some of the 'rules' of the game should be modified for lowbies, e.g. boosts to xp and resources if your BR is below a certain level. Those first certs must be hard to get when you don't really know the tricks and are having trouble surviving an encounter.

snafus · 2013-08-08, 05:22 PM

They did it for multiple reasons. First was to motivate people to be members thus giving you more resources. Then it also helped lean out the vehicle hordes you used to see previous the change.

BlaxicanX · 2013-08-08, 06:07 PM

And THAT'S the problem. ^

It's difficult to balance around "everyone in the world can have one of these".

Tanks in games like Halo and Battlefield are relatively easy to balance, because you can only have like 3 tanks out at a time on either side. So if a tank in Battlefield is like a real tank, super fucking durable and really powerful, it's okay, because the other team of infantry can handle 3 really powerful tanks. But what if the entire team of 32 people showed up at your base in tanks? Well, suddenly there's an issue.

Thus, Planetside's problem. It's hard to justify a tank having the durability and firepower of a real tank, when it's feasible for an entire platoon to show up at a base in a massive tank column.

That being the case, I assume that's one of the driving forces behind the resource revamp. If 50 people spawn tanks at a base, that's going to basically bankrupt the resources of that base, crippling its infrastructure. That results in less tanks on the field, which allows them to buff vehicles a bit.

Also... yes. It would really, really help if MBT's required two people, one to drive and one to shoot.