*sigh* Still havent seen Matrix 2...

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Onizuka
I didnt have to think on it because there was nothing to think about. This is what really pisses me off. "they will cry because the government punished me for it" Of course they would cry because of that, but you should be punished. Its just a hard hard realization for other people to take in: that is someone being punished for braking the law. Its all your fault the government set the rules and you broke them. They also set the punishments which you will follow. Why did you choose, yes YOU CHOSE to take this risk: so you can get high. but of course your not addicted *sarcasm*. If you dont like the way the gov. runs things, then move. Move to a country where you can run around and smoke marijuana all day.

Read this again tek. Its YOUR choice to brake the law. No i dont think policemen should be at a mcdonalds line, but think why would the gov make in maryland, not wearing a seatbelt illegal. Are they making money off this law: yes with tickits and less dead people on the side of the road. But that really isnt the real reason: the real reason is that the gov cares, but your so worried about your personal rights it makes me sick. Hey tek, ever been to china, to india, go there and see your personal rights. Go to an african country and smoke marijuana all day.

I think cigarettes should be illegal. This we stop a lot of serious smokers from smoking in fear of the law.

If we were just to focus on that marijuana is illegal: again this shows that your addicted enough to this stuff to brake the law, or you just have a jail wish. And when your going to jail which i doubt that will ever happen but if you do or if you already have, you should think, "It was my choice to brake the law. I knew of the punishments i could be facing and i ignored them anyways."

If marijuana was legal, i would have less of a problem with your whole arguement because you arent breaking a law. To me, it seems, you are the ignorant one, ignorant of any law that pisses you off, takes 10 sec of your day, or makes what your doing less pleasurable.

You have changed my views to an extent, not a whole lot, but my main view is this: no one until marijuana is legal should do it, and I will never do it for i feel it is immoral.

[Hamma]

Good call to flame the admin, very good call.

[TekDragon]

But that really isnt the real reason: the real reason is that the gov cares, but your so worried about your personal rights it makes me sick.

Apparently i was wrong about you. There are so many reasons this is wrong... nay, evil. History has proven time and time again that the greatest attrocities are commited with the permission of the people. People like you.

Im not comparing marjuana to the holocaust.

Im saying that you, and the people who blindly accepted the Nazi party because they were "looking out for the common good" are cut from the same cloth.

Id be willing to lay down hard cash your a liberal. Or, at the least, a democrat. Only a liberal could say such an ignorant statement as "the government cares" and "your so worried about your personal rights it makes me sick".

Im done with you.

Good call to flame the admin, very good call.

Your only human Hamma. As such you are judged by your actions. Your actions in this thread have not given me many positive things to say about your intellegence or your sence of fair-mindedness.

Perhaps the reflection you have given me on this thread is different from your real life persona. However, if i can only see the tip of the iceberg.. and it is made of ice.. isnt it fair for me to assume the rest is made of ice as well?

The tip i saw was that of a smart-ass, narrow minded, judgemental clown.

[TekDragon]

You have changed my views to an extent, not a whole lot, but my main view is this: no one until marijuana is legal should do it , and I will never do it for i feel it is immoral.

This is something i think you need to think about, before i leave.

What your saying here translates exactly into the following:

"My main view is that something should not be done unless a politician in DC, with an agenda and very few facts, tells me its ok. I refuse to think for myself. I refuse to compare what the politicians say with my own sence of morals and common sence. I will do what a politican tells me to do."

You are either extremely naive, extremely corrupt, or extremely misguided.

You choose to place your "moral" trust in a small group of politicians who, 20 years ago, were hired to form the "war on drugs". They formed a campaign of propaganda and misinformation. They passed judgement on drugs they had no medical knowledge of. They made assumptions.

Why did they do these things? Not because they cared. They did it to continue collecting their paychecks.

And THOSE are the people you choose to place your "moral trust" in. That makes me sick.

You have a brain, use it. You have common sence, use it. You have curiosity, use it. Dont accept what someone tells you, blindly, without considering it. That is the root of evil.

[Yuyi]

Originally posted by TekDragon

Your only human Hamma. As such you are judged by your actions. Your actions in this thread have not given me many positive things to say about your intellegence or your sence of fair-mindedness.

Perhaps the reflection you have given me on this thread is different from your real life persona. However, if i can only see the tip of the iceberg.. and it is made of ice.. isnt it fair for me to assume the rest is made of ice as well?

The tip i saw was that of a smart-ass, narrow minded, judgemental clown.

This isnt going to turn out good

[r3d]

Let this thread die, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

[Hamma]

You are stupider than I thought you were. Why I havent banned you yet I am not sure.

[Hamma]

btw, I havent even read any of this thread. The fact that every one of your posts is a fucking novel makes me ignore everything you post.

[�io]

Feel free to borrow this pic for any future posts of his Hamma. I gave up on this thread and Tekn00b a while back so i don't really care.

http://bohica.planetside-universe.co...cliffnotes.jpg

[Led]

I did not even finish the first post without the words 'fucking idiot' running through my head.

Like hell I am going to read nine pages of his stupid crap!

[Jarlo]

Wait wait before this thread dies I need to give TekDragon his Proof of harm from Weed!

March 2, 2000 (San Diego) -- The Woodstock generation is getting some very bad news: Marijuana smoking in middle age may trigger a heart attack in those who still indulge. Marijuana smokers increase their risk of having a heart attack almost five times within one hour of lighting up, according to a study presented here at an American Heart Association (AHA) meeting.

March 25, 2003 -- Smoking marijuana during pregnancy may cause lasting behavioral and mental defects in the child. A new study in animals suggests that children who are exposed to marijuana in the womb may suffer from a variety of long-term problems even if they aren't born with obvious birth defects.

July 16, 2001 -- The various metabolites -- and there are lots of them! -- of tetrahydrocannabinol (or THC, the active ingredient in marijuana) do remain in fatty tissues long after the psychotropic effects of the drug have passed. For someone who uses marijuana only very occasionally, those substances are probably flushed from the body within five days, but chronic users may have significant levels for weeks or even a month. Since I gather that college was some years ago, for that reason alone, I suspect you have little to worry about. Nevertheless, your concerns about marijuana use and childbearing are not unfounded. You didn't mention whether you're male or female, so I'll mention some things for both sexes to consider. Marijuana use by men has been shown to lower sperm counts somewhat and may affect hormone levels. In women, its use may affect menstrual cycles. That said, there is to my knowledge not a single documented case of infertility caused solely by marijuana use, although it may sometimes be a contributor.


Marijuana use during pregnancy is a greater concern. THC does cross the placenta, and it may be associated with a slightly increased risk of miscarriage and stillbirth. A small reduction in average birth weight has also been documented. Once the child of a pot-smoking mother is born, he or she is more likely to experience problems with attention and certain kinds of analytical tasks. No reduction in IQ has been found, but there's clearly some psychological influence through the toddler years and perhaps into the teens. Just as an expectant mother shouldn't drink, she shouldn't smoke (pot or tobacco) or be around smoke. It's just not worth the risk.


Marijuana may be one of the most studied drugs of our time. And as the medical science accumulates, a pattern begins to emerge: The drug is neither the deadly toxin its foes portray nor the benign herb its advocates like to see. There's no reason to think that smoking a marijuana cigarette is any better for the lungs than smoking an unfiltered tobacco cigarette, and there's some reason to think it's worse. For one thing, marijuana smokers typically inhale very deeply and hold the smoke in their lungs for extended periods. For another, some cellular-level research suggests that THC may increase the mutagenic activity of the tar in smoke, which could lead to cancer.


Marijuana smokers are also at risk of other problems. One survey found that daily users reported 19% more respiratory problems (infections, irritation) than did nonsmokers. The daily users also had 30% more injuries from accidents than did nonsmokers, which is consistent with research on marijuana's effect on cognition and motor function. That said, just about without exception, alcohol is worse.


In June 2001, a new concern was documented by Murray Mittleman and his colleagues at Harvard and Beth Israel Medical Center. The group found that marijuana smokers have increased risk (4.8 times) of heart attack for an hour after lighting up. Pot is known to accelerate heart rate by as much as 50% for up to an hour, so there may be some relation between these findings. As the baby boomers age, they'd best put away those '60s habits.

[Jarlo]

And more prooff wheeee!! Put this in your bong and smoke it.

April 2, 2002 -- Smoking five or more marijuana joints a week can make you feel stupid -- really. A new study shows heavy marijuana use can actually lower your IQ (intelligence quotient).


Researchers say it's one of the first studies to look at the long-term effects of marijuana on intelligence. Although the immediate, mind-numbing effects of marijuana are well known, it's been difficult to study the long-term effects on users because researchers often don't have a starting point before marijuana use began on which to base their measurements.


In this study, which appears in the April 2 issue of the Canadian Medical Association Journal, researchers compared the IQ scores of 70 participants before they started smoking pot (aged 9-12) with their current scores at age 17-20. Among heavy users who currently smoked more than five joints a week, IQ scores dropped by an average of 4.1 points.


Researchers say that drop might seem minor, but it's about the same degree of IQ reduction found among children who were exposed to an average of three drinks a day in the womb. And it's more than the decline found in children exposed to cocaine in the womb or to low levels of lead as infants.


But among light users (fewer than five joints a week), researchers found gains in IQ scores of about 5.8 points. Former users and non-users also had slight increases in their scores -- of 3.5 and 2.6, respectively.


The study authors say these finding have several limitations and should be interpreted with caution. The size of the study was small and did not look at the length of marijuana use. The young age of the participants may have also tempered some of the potential long-term effects of the drug.


Researchers say that marijuana has grown in popularity among youth in the last four years, so more study is needed to fully understand the consequences of both current and previous marijuana use.

Nov. 21, 2002 -- Three newly published studies link frequent marijuana use at a young age to an increased risk of depression and schizophrenia later in life. The studies offer some of the best evidence yet that smoking marijuana can influence the progression of mental illness.


Past research has linked pot smoking with depression and schizophrenia. But it has been unclear whether marijuana use causes psychosis or whether those prone to psychosis self-medicate with the drug. The new studies, published in the Nov. 23 British Medical Journal, suggest a direct link between frequent marijuana use and psychiatric illness that is not explained by self-medication.


"Most [earlier] studies suggested that mental illness in not a result of using marijuana, but the other way around," child and adolescent psychiatrist Joseph M. Rey, MD, PhD, tells WebMD. "These [new] studies do not disprove the self-medication theory completely. But they offer strong support for the explanation that cannabis use causes both schizophrenia and depression."


In an editorial accompanying the studies, Rey notes that it is not yet clear whether marijuana use triggers mental illness in otherwise vulnerable people or if it causes these conditions in people who are not predisposed to them.


In the largest of the newly reported studies, researchers followed about 50,000 Swedish men for 27 years after being drafted for military service. All of the recruits underwent a psychological evaluation, which included questions about drug use, upon entering the service at age 18.


Those who reported smoking marijuana more than 50 times were three times more likely to develop schizophrenia over the next three decades as those who did not use the drug. The association was dose-dependent, with those who smoked pot five to 10 times having only a slightly increased risk. No association was seen between alcohol use and later schizophrenia.


"We cannot be certain that the increased risk we saw is due to cannabis use, but it is the most likely explanation," psychiatrist and lead researcher Stanley Zammit tells WebMD. "It is important to point out that the risk is still quite small. If your lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia is 1% then frequent use of cannabis would increase that risk to 3%."


A second study followed Australian secondary school students for seven years. Researchers found that frequent marijuana was predictive of later depression and anxiety, particularly among teenaged girls.


Roughly 60% of the 1,600 students surveyed had smoked pot by the age of 20 and 7% were daily users. After accounting for use of other substances, daily use was associated with a five-fold increase in later depression and anxiety among young women. But depression and anxiety were not predictive of later marijuana use.


In the final study, researchers assessed data from a study following more than 750 New Zealanders from birth to age 26. Adolescents who were smoking marijuana by the age of 15 had four times the risk for developing schizophrenia in adulthood as those who did not use the drug. The increased risk could not be explained by psychotic tendencies reported in the children at age 11.


"This suggests that there is a direct causal link that cannot be explained by tendency toward mental illness," lead researcher Louise Arseneault, PhD, tells WebMD. "The strength of this study is that these children have been followed since birth. The weakness is that it is a small group, and schizophrenia is a rare disease."


Arseneault says the findings from her study and the others should serve as a wake-up call to those who deny that frequent marijuana use can impact mental health.


"We should try to discourage young people from using cannabis, especially those who might be psychologically vulnerable," she says."

Do you need more Dope Dragon? errr I mean TekDragon?

[Onizuka]

thank you jarlo.

Anyways, shows what you know tek IM A REPUBLICAN. In fact, a pretty strong one too.
I mean im against the death penalty but other then that. Do you have a problem with the gov caring. Look at jarlos facts. Realize that you have chosen to brake the law and could be punished to its fullest extent. Realize that i am not like the germans when hitler came into power exepting everything cause you know thats bull crap.

The better point I make, the more you pick at me and blow me off. Your addicted like crazy to that stuff and you know it.

Basically level 4 my ass

EDIT: im reading some of those facts the mighty jarlo provided and i was right all along. read them or your the ignorant one.

I hope you will stop smoking marijuana but its really none of my biz. Thank you for the nice arguement, i havent been that heated up in a while. And read those facts!!!

[Jarlo]

And Tek I don't expect to stop you from smoking your weed and frying your brain, just giving the proof you were asking for about the harmful effects of Marijuana. Everyone makes their own choices and, sadly, you have made yours already for whatever reason.

Alcohol is at least as harmful as Marijuana, I am in no way denying that or saying Marijuana is the worst drug out there. Just like any drug it has harmful as well as beneficial effects. Sadly you seem blinded by the pro=pot propaganda who claim it has zero harmful effects, which is an outright lie.

You have chosen to follow the path of regular weed use and I think it is a shame considering you are a smart person. Think what you could achieve if you let go of weed and focused your mind on something more productive then rolling a blunt.

[Ryuuji]

Have yoo ever noticed, I went to this party once, and this guy leaned over across this really hot girl, he said. "You want to smoke some weed?" I gave him a good punch in the face, and walked out the door. Enough said