Jackhammer isn't as overpowered as you might think

[Smaug]

Actually bugger the sweeper and jackhammer have the same ROF.

[BUGGER]

Yes, but get the point, sweeper is.....err wats the word, used by every empire, the jackhammer is used by nc, nc is hard and slow, the.....other......is its own preference. no 1 gives a shit about those weapons cause every empire could use em, jackhammer, lasher (right?), chaingun is empire spacific, we give a shit about what those weapons do (course my chaingun sucks penis so I really care about the jacker).

[Smaug]

Yes but you are saying NC is hard and slow, the jackhammer isnt that fast, that's what I was implying. You could lower the ROF a little but then, it would be slower than sweeper and would sort of negate the point of buying it. I like higher ROF, than really slow and more damage. These are supposed to be HEAVY weapons, not minutely improved medium assault weapons :P. Seriously we need to bring MCG and Lasher UP TO PAR with JH. Simple fix that would end this whole debate. Leave the JH as it is, tighten the MCG COF and speed up the Lasher bullets.

[BUGGER]

its secondry fire is fast, course its cone gets really big, but still, its kinda fast. Still, if we had a shootoff (cant run, jsut sit and fire) with each weapon, the jacker would win all.

[Smaug]

Yes alt-fire mode is fast, It's supposed to be, but the trade off is that it takes long to reload, by that time(assuming that you didn't kill an MCG or Lasher user with those shots) you would be dead. Also, I know the JH would win atm, thats why we need to improve MCG and Lasher, did you even read what I said in the above post? Because that is what I said, improve, don't nerf. But still what do you expect if you just sit there and fire, sure you're probably gonna be killed by the most powerful. The JH will always be most powerful in terms of damage. You aren't supposed to just sit there in battle and not run. You have to find exploits to enemy weapons. As soon as MCG COF gets tightened, you will need to stay at medium range, and you will murder a JH user. Same with Lasher, just stay at long range, and strafe.

[Streamline]

Bah.... keep it the way it is. Boost the other two HA weapons abit. I'd rather see them put in a slug in place of AP ammo. But other than that i like the JH the way it is.

The MiniCG need a slightly tighter CoF and slightly faster recovery.

The Lasher... I'd take a slower RoF as compensation for a much much faster projectile, better recovery, and tighter CoF.

[BUGGER]

well my horny old self wants nrf cause the MCG got nerfed (and i dunno if the lasher did too....).

[Plato]

Another HA thread! Yay!

/engage whine mode

"It's a triple barrelled shotgun it's meant to own in CQB. If it gets nerfed or adjusted it'd just be a sweeper. In fact it's not much better than a sweeper right now anyway." Same old, same old from the NC...

I think more NC should ask that the MCG and to a lesser extent the Lasher get brought up to par with the JH. The longer the other HA weapons suck, the more likely the JH is to get nerfed. It's in everyone's best interest....

[BUGGER]

o ops i skipped a few lines.

yes you are supposto run, but taht only makes bigger chances of you winning and not getting hit. if u got 1 running and shooting while the sitter jsut shoot, ofcourse that guys gona die. but to be perfectly eaven (or atleast really close), is for each to die at the same time (or be jacked all the way to 10 health or sumtin). if both are running then its 50/50 that you'll win or die, but if one weapon is stronger, then the odds lower.

[Happy lil Elf]

Of course unless you have the barrel up buried somewhere in their left lung, the secondary fire is pretty useless. The second and third shots are fired with the COF already maxed out which means if it's farther than 5m away, you don't hit it.

[tmartinez72]

I don't think that the JH is overpowered, it's just way better than the MCG and Lasher.

And it's not about keeping "variety" between the 3 HAs. The JH is simply the best weapon for the job of HA close-quarter combat.

The Chain-gun is supposed to excel in extremely close quarters, but they get owned with anyone with a MA weapon.

I don't even know what the Lasher is good for. Medium-range close quarters? Hence the range and lack of speed of the orbs? Whatever it is, it gets owned by anything but a Beamer.

These are just "my" opinions on improving the other HA weapons to JH standards.

MCG: Close that CoF but "drop the damage massively at range" (20m). If they simply close the CoF, then it's a Cycler that can snipe at medium range. Not realistic for sure, but what in this game is?

Lasher: Just increase the speed of the orbs. Even if means sacrificing distance. Have the orbs dissapate at 20m or drop the damage like the MCG. I don't care about the so-called "lashing" damage. Keep that as-is as long as they increase the speed.

[12tontuna]

Originally posted by Plato
Another HA thread! Yay!

/engage whine mode

"It's a triple barrelled shotgun it's meant to own in CQB. If it gets nerfed or adjusted it'd just be a sweeper. In fact it's not much better than a sweeper right now anyway." Same old, same old from the NC...

I think more NC should ask that the MCG and to a lesser extent the Lasher get brought up to par with the JH. The longer the other HA weapons suck, the more likely the JH is to get nerfed. It's in everyone's best interest....

The Lasher to a LESSER extent?

I used this turd for 10 BR. It's just that. I got told to use it outdoors, indoors, from afar, up close...doesn't matter. To add insult to injury I got hosed by an AMP up close last night by an EXO...and I had lead him into 3 shots.

I think the MCG should wind up like it does now, but reduce the wielder's movement rate to keep the COF smaller...like EVERY other weapon. If he aint moving, the damn COF shouldn't get to be the size of a Galaxy. The friggen thing should be able to waste stuff at 30 to 50m. It can barely do that at 3m.

Now the Lasher, um lets see. The projectiles are SLOW. Nothing like watching someone 10m away SLOWLY step sideways and avoid them. The projectiles ARE BIG AND EASILY SEEN. Lastly, they have little to no colleteral damage ability. Basically, it's a Nerf Ball launcher. Christ, I'd be better off hand bombing the clips at you most of the time. The weapon, like most Vanu specific "weapons" is trash. And let us not harp on the Lancer, you gotta have skill and patience to use it against infantry.

[Happy lil Elf]

I agree with changing the cof on the MCG. Seems like the best solution and something needs to be changed with that gun. Has to be done very carefully though. You can snipe with a cycler right now due to it's insanely small cof when crouched, I'd hate to see what a MCG could do

Lasher is a no brainer really, just increase the projectile speed a bit.

[BUGGER]

He'n the lasher is the worst outa 3, and the MCG and lasher should be brought up to jacker power.

[Kaikou]

Someone said the jackhammer being nerfed would produce a weapon only slightly better than the sweeper.

What is the MCG right now? It is a less accurate version of the cycler with double the clip size. And with that bad accuracy, the chaingun's double clip size gets canceled out, because double the shots miss. I was actually able to do more damage to a mosquito in the VR going full auto with a cycler than I was with the MCG.

MCG is simply a cycler with more ammo and less accuracy. What difference is there from a jackhammer being a better version of the sweeper?

Well for one it would be better, and two the MCG already IS as bad as a medium assault weapon, while the jackhammer is NOT.