Is your SUV killing innocent people?

[BLuE_ZeRO]

Yes because they are more complicated to drive. That's why I said before that they needed a "SUV: This is not a car" test. They are quite different from cars and like I said people need to realize that but that is no reason to simply cease production of them.

Educate don't Eliminate

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Dio
Yeah obviously they aren't Vipers or Ferraris but i meant concerning the whole gas/oil thing. That Viper is damn nice but it's still destroying the planet.

Rofl

When I think of things destroying the planet, the Viper is not high atop my list.

[BLuE_ZeRO]

What's destroying the world? TOP 3

1. Hondas
2. Canadians
3. Viper

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Incompetent
a guy that falls asleep driving an SUV can cause a shitload more damage then a guy driving a saturn.

Not that this aspect of the argument is going anywhere, but...

If someone in any car falls asleep at the wheel and plows into my car, I would be better off in a larger vehicle.

[Airlift]

I never said you were a racist, I said you were expressing a a destructive attitude built on a racial stereotype. Furthermore, I wasn't talking shit to you. Like I said, you're free to do as you please, regardless of the social responsibility involved.

[Unregistered]

It doesn't really matter anyway.

I don't even own a car. I'm just sick of people bad mouthing SUV's.

[Hamma]

Well if we are gonna destroy this earth we may as well do it having fun.

/me goes out in his Lightning to pick up teh ladies

[MrVicchio]

Originally posted by Airlift
If I had a rocket launcher and 18 rockets, there would be 18 less SUVs on the road.

You can hate the hippies all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is that buying 10 gallons of gas uses less depletable resources than 50 gallons. Whether money goes to the same place or not isn't the issue, the issue is the amount of money.

SUVs are good for a lot of things. However, Urbanites and Suburbanites should quit fooking to themselves about who they are and get their asses back in the minivan.

Ahh yes, The TYPICIAL Liberal attitude, You DONT DESERVE to be driving an SUV, get back in the VEHICLE WE say is right...

Man, I am really going to off here.... (deep breaths)

This is AMERICA, atleast where I am, and in America, if you can afford to drive a full sized SUV, I don't care if you are a 4'9" single woman living in downtown Chiago, thats your FREAKING right, to pursue your idea of HAPPINESS anyway you want as long as you arent breaking the law.. and since buying, owning and driving SUV's is LEGAL.. WOOT rock on baby.

ALso your comment about the worlds diminishing supply of oil....

When I was a kid, back in the 80's I watched,a nd believed I think it was a big 20/20 special report on how there was only 50 years of Oil left on the planet. That was at current consumption rates, the report even went on to say that we'd start feeling the pressure of less oil by 2000.

Well golly freaking gee whiz. There is, by current estimates, atleast 200 years of oil out there. Be it in the Middle east, Alaska, Siberia, South America or under vast portions of the earths oceans.. there is more then enough Petrolium out ther to, even at a 250% increase in oil use, to last 200+ years. That was from a big, liberal elitist collage study at that.

When was the last time you heard that oil was going becomming scarce because all the worlds well were drying up.. thats what I thought.

Bah, I will take a chillpill now, but that stuff really sets my teeth on edge.

[Hamma]

Threads like this are why I hate politics.

[Navaron]

Flaws flaws every where, and not a reason to read.....

First off, safety - If it's a safety issue where people in cars are killed more often than those in SUVs, why go to the lowest common denominator? I doubt anyone will question that people are safer in suvs, so why not get rid of cars? If everyone drives an SUV, then alot more people will be safe. You are 5 times more likely to survive a head on crash in an SUV than in a economy class car.

My boss was in a wreck last week. He drives an old honda accord. He was hit by a lady in a Jeep Liberty. The liberty is a small suv. He pulled out in front of her, as she was about 10 feet away. He is in the ICU, and still unconcious and will not walk for a year. The lady had to get stitched in her hand. His vehicle is totaled, hers is not. I would want my wife and mother in an SUV.

Secondly, Gas mileage compared to a car. An suv hold many more people than does a honda or saturn. I say that people who drive 2 seaters are doing worse than people who seat 8. I know the arguement that is coming. Well those soccer moms only drive by themselves and don't need the space. Whose right is it to say what they can drive and who they should have travel with them.

Third, Polution. The polution idea is a myth. Scientist have proven time and time again that global warming is a hoax. Just yesterday they released a study saying that the polar Icecaps melting have been doing so for 10,000 years, and will start to freeze again in 2-3,000 years. It's natural. I love all of these arrogant people who think that we (humans) are so mighty that we can alter every facet of the earth. Hell, we haven't even mapped the ocean floor.

Fact: there is less polution today than there was 8 years ago? Why? We haven't implemented any drastic laws? Hell polution standards have lessened. Because we are as mighty as we thought. Think of the most weird gross thing we as humans can make. It comes from the earth, so when it returns is it any suprise that nature finds it's own balance.

Oil is not a limited resource. Ocean oil wells that were drained 30 years ago are now 2-6% full again. Again, we have a problem with arrogance. We think we can come in and just stop nature and all of its proccesses.

Finally, we need a "this is not a car" lesson. People are as stupid as you seem to think. It is obvious that the vehicle is not a car. People who buy them are affluent enough to purchase them, therefore have enough foresight to notice that detail.

This is all a sumation of class envy. People who don't have them, hate those that do. It's just like cell phones. People who don't have one can't stand them. I don't have an SUV or a Cell phone. I drive a 94 honda civic that gets 33 mpg. I don't resent suv drivers. I also plan on getting a Bentley WX which gets 8mpg.

[MrVicchio]

Originally posted by {{eMaGyN}}
I dont think the discussion of SUVs would be in question if America improved its public transport systems outside of the cities and people took advantage of them.
More people using public transportation would solve a large number of problems that are vehicular related.


eMa

eMa, I luv ya hon, but the real problem with American's and Public Transportation is two fold. One, We love our cars. Cars = Freedom Freedom = the good ole USA.

Secondly, unlike, Europe, or say Japan, two places that have big Public Transportation systems... is that they arent THAT big...

In America, it is Not too unusual to find Johnny living in NYC while his parents stay in his home town of Atlanta... thus Johnny like to drive down and see his parents once, twice a year... See what I mean, we LIKE to travel in our own vehicles rather then fly or train or bus even... all ties back into that Car Culture...

Tahts why Public Transportation hasnt ever really taken off in the USA...

[MrVicchio]

Originally posted by Hamma
Threads like this are why I hate politics.

These threads make the blood flow Hamma! hehe tho it does get old when people turn them into personal assualt threads.

[Navaron]

Now if you do go to a large city like, NYC, Chitown or DC, you will find that they all have excellent public transportation systems. America does enjoy the convinience of public transportation when it is neccesary. You simply can't expect people to ride the metro in Omaha. It's not ready. I like DC's pub. trans. I enjoy it, because of the concentration of people per mile is high, like that of Euroupean cities. Places where it is not needed because there is "room" will get PT when they start to get crowded.

[MrVicchio]

Originally posted by Airlift
Leave it to Lex to bring my little car into the fray. I'll stand by my gas mileage, and I carpool whenever possible. I also get the added benefit of never driving a big group of people around, which the suckers in the SUVs always end up having to do.

SUVs are more than just gas guzzlers, they are a serious threat to anyone else on the roads or even in the parking lots of the nation. It's like a personal arms race where everybody wants the biggest car so when they smash into the other guy, he dies instead. So we end up with an army of people driving alone in huge trucks when they barely have the driving skills to handle a sedan.

I am going to address your comment about SUV's making the roads more dangerous...

Let me take that logic to its NATURAL conclusion. There are, as I see it, 3 alternatives, if we were to use that as a basis for allowing/not allowing SUV's

1. Ban all SUV's. This way, the people in BOTH vehicles are at equal risk of dying.... gee you don't have kids do you? I do, and I would much rather themin an SUV then a station wagon that gets 50mpg

2. Buy EVERY"ONE an SUV... er... nah... while the roads WOULD be safer in terms of your overall chance of injury (Even in SUV vs SUV sollisions, you are more likely to survive then any other vehicle on vehicle collision) But then who'd pay for all that... nah nvm...

3. Leave it how it is.. those that can, and want one... let em drive em.... Ahh the AMerican way, freedom.

[Unregistered]

If you think about it logicly......

People should push for cars that get Less Gass Milage. he only way you will ever get a cleaner burning fuel is when Oil Companys can no longer make billions of dollers selling oil. The faster we use it up the faster alternative sources will be found.