Exploits in PlanetSide

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Originally Posted by Veteran

If you're exploiting, you know it. Don't give me any crap that it's a 'harmless' exploit. The exploiters club consists of people who consider themself too elite to play by the rules, and the exact right thing to do is throw a torch in and burn it down. You're wrong if you think most players exploit. You don't think aimbot users should be banned? That's really weird.

No you misunderstand what I'm saying. I definitely think aimbot users should be banned, as well as any other cheater. What I'm saying is that I don't agree that one of cham's listed exploits is really an exploit. I think it's working the way it's supposed to. Single-click firing your weapon SHOULD give you better accuracy and control, and that's what it does with the MA weapons in PS. I've done this with every fps I've ever played, and don't understand why it would be considered an exploit. I'm saying that if they ban everyone who uses this particular method, that they'll be banning a large percent of the population, which would be bad.

That said, I don't think it's right to ban someone for using something that the game allows. Using a third-party piece of software or doing something to otherwise manipulate the game is cheating, and should be punished. I just don't personally see anything wrong with "exploiting" something that the game allows for. If it's such a problem, then it should be fixed, but not by punishing the people who do it.

[Hamma]

I got word back that they knew about some of the issues but not others. They have been passed on to the folks who are in charge of these things and are being looked at. And like mars said just toss a PM or Email to one of us and we will tip off SOE. I have told them about numerous expoits and I will continue to do so.

SOE cant watch every forum unfortunatly. So we do everything we can to help out with issues like this.

[Heckler01]

I just don't personally see anything wrong with "exploiting" something that the game allows for. If it's such a problem, then it should be fixed, but not by punishing the people who do it.

Thats an Interesting way of thinking, Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. Give me a break, I would hate to think the only way I can be good is to exploit lag or the game in some way.

[Veteran]

Infinite Loop,

Yes, a simple misunderstanding. What you're describing sounds pretty innocuous. When I talk about 'the exploiters club', I'm talking about rooms full of guys who have to impress each other by twisting the game and generally draining as much life out of the it for those who aren't jaded and faded. Aimbots and the like are the tools they use to stroke their egos while forgetting just how simple and unchallenging those programs are, and how degrading they are to the user.

No matter how much it becomes clear that major exploiters are intimidating, discouraging and otherwise cheapening the experience of honest players, I never hear about account termination, and I wonder if the few measly dollars of subscription fees that would be lost is the real obstacle. I hope it becomes clear that dirty money won't help build a truly great multiplayer experience.

I hope PlanetSide is remembered for what it did right and not who it kowtowed to, because MMOs that are known for prostituting themselves for the subscription fee are pretty common.

[Dharkbayne]

Exploiters suck. Single click firing is not an exploit, if you fired an ak47 by holding the trigger down, you would get alot more recoil, and less accuracy than if you fired 1 shot at a time, why do you think M16's aren't automatic?

[Queensidecastle]

I am sure to be in the minority here but I love it when exploits get posted. It always makes me smile because 9 times out of 10 Sony already knows about it and hasnt fixed it yet, or is ignoring it. At the end of the day I just want it fixed and whenever these things get posted, there is a fury and all the important people get involved to do damage control with the solution being that the problem is fixed. This is much more preferable than individuals exploiting for months down the road. It is basically getting things that damage the game bumped up the proirity list where they should be in the first place.

This reminds me of that guy cought in FRAPS speed hacking running behind a tank blowing it up with a jackhammer. Sometimes the community needs to set what the priorities are

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Originally Posted by Heckler01

Thats an Interesting way of thinking, Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. Give me a break, I would hate to think the only way I can be good is to exploit lag or the game in some way.

I guess exploits have bounds, at least on the ones I would use. There's a border between flat-out cheating, and bending the rules to gain a slight advantage. This is a common theme in life in general, so it's nothing new. Some are obviously cheap, and others, as I stated, aren't considered exploits by some. If I don't think it's cheap to do, whether it is intended by the game or not, I'll use it. Take the corpse bug from way back when, for example. That was the most frustrating exploit I've ever come up against, and I hated people that did it. I never once used that crap. But the things I have used that some consider exploits, either I don't think are, or I don't think are more than a trivial benefit to me. I've sometimes used the reload exploit, but since I'm not a sniper, it doesn't really do much for me. That's the worst thing I've done, I'm not talking about exploting lag or speedhacking or anything like that. I don't cheat, never have, never will.

[cHaM]

For those that are still interested, my account was banned for 7 days for posting my topic on the PlanetSide Discussion, but as you can see from these links:

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I'm still fighting very hard to have the exploits I listed removed.

If you're tired of the cheating, and sick of SOE not hearing their playerbase out, support this thread on the PlanetSide discussion. Send a message to SOE that they MUST hear out their customers when bugs and exploits are found, and they MUST hear us out when we want changes.
http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/p...ML/026790.html

[Spee]

Today, I was running along and shooting, and I locked up for about half a second. Where there was once 40 cycler rounds, there was none. It wasnt used against anybody, but man, that floor did get bitch-owned.


Hooray for lag shattering the refire rate ceiling!

[Jagd]

You'd have to be pretty stupid to call tap-firing an exploit. That is the basis of the COF system. Duh.

[cHaM]

E-Mail I just sent to SOE (yes I'm well aware it's about to get edited by the admin at this board, that's ok, I understand his interests and I have no issues with them):

You may have banned my account for posting the information I did, but you cannot kill the message.

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Support from IRON an NC outfit on Johari (please note my character was TR)

Hello cHaM

You received the following message from: Turgenev ([email protected])



*whew* This is damned interesting. I've seen some of these on the field (notably the Surge one and the MA firing rate). I wonder what would happen if the outfit members all /appealed with this same information.

cHaM, I know what you were trying to do in the feedback forum and with /appeals. It's frankly disgraceful to see their response in that fashion. I'm moving your thread internally to take it off the public forum (frankly so no one outside can call IRON's site an exploit bar...). I'll make sure it's disseminated appropriately for us to be aware of on the field, and see what can be done with group /appeals on the same topic. One person appealing is a drop in a bucket. Dozens appealing the same issue is a hurricane.

cHaM, I'm sorry to see you leave the PS arena, but in subscription games, everyone's got their times-up date. Have fun wherever you go, and if you decide to harrass IRON in a given game, make sure you identify yourself so we can say "heya" before murdering you.

Peace.

Turgenev, the IRON Brigade

There are many more. Several people including myself are spreading this message to every PlanetSide website they can find. You can delete my post, edit it out and even ban my account, but I�m going to do everything in my power to make PlanetSide a better game (something YOU should be doing, not me) by having these exploits removed from the game.

You can expect your CSR�s to be flooded with appeals in game and bug reports to have these issues fixed, as well as the mass populace of the players using these exploits since they all know about them now. Please understand that my actions aren�t out of hate or spite for SOE or PlanetSide, I�m merely tired of your company treating it�s playerbase like crap and not listening to us when we want changes.

If at all possible, forward this E-mail to Sporkfire (as I could not find his E-Mail address anywhere) and anyone else it pertains too.

Thanks,

-cHaM
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Tap firing any weapon is an exploit when it allows you to fire faster than normal, this is proven and it is exploitable and it needs to be fixed.

[Hamma]

Now I am starting to get pissed, we were patient with you for the first few times now it is getting rediculous. I have talked to some of the dev team and they know of these issues and they know they are widly known, they will fix them. However you must understand how much they have non their plate. Posting this everywhere will not get it fixed faster, it will just make it so EVERYONE IS CHEATING.

If you post these links again you will be banned.

[cHaM]

They've been "widly known" since beta. The issue isn't them not knowing, the issue is them not doing anything about it. Please understand that I was merely copying and pasting the E-mail I just fired off to SOE, and I have no issues with you editing your posts, but I will continue to post them (obviously not on your website) and let people know about them so that SOE will wake up and understand that when players want issues in the game fixed, they need to be addressed as quickly as possible, not 6 months from now.

You're assuming I'm alone in this, but if you were to actually read those links you removed, you'd understand there are now literally hundreds of people that support me and this move that I'm making.

[Hamma]

Its easy to say that when you arent on the dev team. You have no idea what happens within SOE. They will fix it as they always fix exploits. Just understand I HAVE talked to them and I KNOW they will look into fixes.

[cHaM]

Hamma, I E-mailed the information I've been posting MONTHS ago shortly after the game went live and the changes have still not been fixed. Once again, the issue isn't them not knowing about them, I know they know about them because I've told them personally. The issue is them not doing anything about it. Letting these exploits stay in the game several months now after retail is not acceptable.

I know people are tired of the buggy patches and the sloppy code, so this is my little way of telling SOE that we're no longer going to take it.

Edit: Hamma you can ban me from your board if you want, but you're only facilitating SOE's lacking attitude towards their game, besides there are literally 100's of other messageboards I could (and have) go to in order to get my message across.

I understand why you removed the links, I have no issues with that, but comming down on what is supposed to be an open community board is not the way to handle this issue.

Next time if I choose to make another post about my task, I'll be sure to remove the links myself in order to save you the trouble.