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Old 2003-11-18, 11:44 AM   [Ignore Me] #16
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Originally Posted by flypengy
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Cycler > Pulsar > Gauss

But I will never give up my gauss.
If you consider the equal rof by using single-fire tapping of the MA rifles, the Gauss has the fastest TTK by a good margin. It is difficult to master, but if you get good at it, you can down someone at 50m in a couple of seconds. Even just using short bursts, 3 at a time to be exact, I'll take my gauss over any other MA for it's accuracy and damage per shot.

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i like the JH better thanks.
Yeah me too. I hate the sweeper.
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Old 2003-11-18, 12:20 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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I just wanted to chime in and dispell the notion that the Sweeper is almost the same as the Jackhammer. This isnt even close to acurate. The Jackhammer does far more health and armor damage per shot. Combined with a faster rate of fire and double the clip size, there is no comparison between the two weapons.

Also the Cycler always ownz the Gauss because it is so much more acurate. The Gauss does have more power per shot at long range but if your stupid enough to get in a MA duel with a Gauss user at long range you deserve to get pwned. If you close the distance to effective Cycler distance, the Gauss doesnt even stand a chance. Lots of TR just dont do this and will continue to get pwned at long range. Its a shame too when the concept is so simple

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Old 2003-11-18, 12:22 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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You're right! The sweeper is much better than the JH

It has much better range, a faster reload time, and the same shots per kill. With the added range, it is able to outdo the JH at every range but point blank.
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Old 2003-11-18, 12:33 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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At the range where you want to use a shotgun, the Jackhammer just simply out performs the Sweeper in every way. That performance may not be enough for some people to justify a whole 4 points dedicated to it, but your going to be a hell of a lot more effective at killing if that is your desire
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Old 2003-11-18, 12:38 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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Originally Posted by BDMJ
You're right! The sweeper is much better than the JH

It has much better range, a faster reload time, and the same shots per kill. With the added range, it is able to outdo the JH at every range but point blank.
I guess it depends on how you use it. I don't use my JH at anything but point-blank range. It is ok at short-medium range, but not very effective. Outdoors I use the gauss exclusively, and indoors the JH. At point-blank range (under 15m or so), I'll take my JH anyday over the sweeper. The sweeper is a nice gun for some, but only if you are not NC with HA.
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Old 2003-11-18, 12:59 PM   [Ignore Me] #21
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I'll take a jackhammer on with my sweeper any day. It's all about landing that first chest shot, and since I'm a crafty bugger I beat Jackhammers down all the time. Although I do admit that I used to trade for them constantly when I was TR cause I liked them so much more than the MCG. Now that I play mostly VS I don't even bother with Heavy Assault.
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Old 2003-11-18, 01:06 PM   [Ignore Me] #22
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I can honestly only remember losing a 1-vs-1 dual to a sweeper user once in all of my playtime with my JH. I'm not saying you can't be effective with a sweeper, but rather a good JH user should usually beat a good sweeper user. But at the range some people use the sweeper at, the JH is not effective, and MA is king. The sweeper seems to be a good close to mid-range weapon, but not great at either on it's own.
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Old 2003-11-18, 01:24 PM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Well use the sweeper with your TR character for a while, and you'll see how powerful it is. The pellet spread is tighter than the JH so you need to be more accurate with your aim, but it only takes one or two more shots to kill someone.
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Old 2003-11-18, 01:28 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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I might try it, but I so love my new MCG
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Old 2003-11-18, 02:05 PM   [Ignore Me] #25
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Yeah, the MCG totally owns the Sweeper. If you have HA there isnt ever a reason to use a Sweeper
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