Surge / agile / JH - Page 4

shadowseed · 2003-12-12, 05:06 AM

God, some of you are such a bunch of wingers. "oh, my empires weapons are rubish compared to everyone elses.." "boo hoo, my empire's population is really low compared to everyone elses.." . "nerf the JH, i get killed with it!" "The prowler still is not powerful enough, it should have 3 cannons, not one!" "My MCG is useless, the bullets should have lock on!"

If you cant surge/MCG kill people then eaither your a REALLY crap shot, or your just lame. I tried it last night with my TR character and it rocked. I stormed around a crowded base wiping out NC after NC after NC, i eventually ran out of fecking ammo for got sake!.
I dont have a VS char, so did not try out Lasher/surge, although i imaging running into a spawn unloading and running away would cause real strife!.

As for the airdrop on a tower, theres nothing cheating about that. I use the infi/surge/mosc tactic loads of times with huge succsess. If some nmy comes up stairs thinking "he hehe, he must be dumn, thinking i did not see that mosc on radar, im sooo gonna kill him at the CC", i just surge down to the basement, hack a terminal, MAX up kill him or the tubes.

Oh, and as a foot not, last night on Werner, it was NC that were the only "needing more players" on the front screen.

Ive said it before and ill say it again. Every empire has its + and its -. Anyone that goes on a crusade, whining about there -'s and everyone elses +'s is just lame.

sutserikeru · 2003-12-12, 08:44 AM

even if the JH sucked, the NC have the numbers to kick anyones ass. but, the JH doesnt suck, thus all the n00bs are jumping on the Vanguard/JH bandwangon

I Hate Pants · 2003-12-12, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by shadowseed

OR!!!: U could us surge as well....

OH YES! LETS ALL JUST SURGE! That way PS can be more like Quake. Lets all just jump around at point blank range at each other firing our HA weapons.

F U NC! Thanks for ruining the gameplay. If everyone starts surging then this game isn't worth playing anymore.

shadowseed · 2003-12-12, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by I Hate Pants

OH YES! LETS ALL JUST SURGE! That way PS can be more like Quake. Lets all just jump around at point blank range at each other firing our HA weapons.

F U NC! Thanks for ruining the gameplay. If everyone starts surging then this game isn't worth playing anymore.

Wow, you really got issues!. My point is, that if some guy is surging towards you, you can alway use surge to retreat/avoid him while shooting back.
Stop being such a baby, just cos ive got NC on this forum dont mean anything, ive got a TR char as well!!!. And for the record, i only have HA for my TR character, NOT for my NC.

I use MAX's a lot, does that mean i hould complain about TR's using Strikers and Surge against me ????... no, its a good tactic.

Mudflap · 2003-12-12, 10:16 AM

I love how defensive people get about this subject. I have no problem with the JH personally. I don't want any gun nerfed. I want to see surge totally suck for people with HA weapons though.

I had never really surged with HA, so I decided to try it out. It's easy. BTW, sorry to anyone I lamed last night. If you were killed by a surging HA pansy named Rashad, my most sincere condolences.

Surge is supposed to be worth less and less as your armor increases. This was done so that heavy troops couldn't zoom in and around people like an inf could. Now, people are getting around this by using light armor with heavy weapons. This is a problem. The JH is just the best weapon for this tactic, but the MCG and Lasher with Surge combo is equally lame.

I just want to see either surge be nerfed for people carrying heavy weapons, or disabled for people carrying heavy weapons.

I Hate Pants · 2003-12-12, 10:20 AM

http://myplanetside.station.sony.com...173&worldId=21

I see no TR character? Only this guy

http://myplanetside.station.sony.com...cter_index.jsp

Now that you have lied. I see you have no room argueing your point here anymore.

Madcow · 2003-12-12, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by shadowseed

Wow, you really got issues!. My point is, that if some guy is surging towards you, you can alway use surge to retreat/avoid him while shooting back.

Surging running backwards with a Cycler or MCG is even more suicidal than standing your ground and trying to land enough shots before the JH is on top of you, you should try it sometime. All you're doing is forcing your COF to bloom while you're running backwards at half the speed of the guy closing on you.

BadAsh · 2003-12-12, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by shadowseed

Wow, you really got issues!. My point is, that if some guy is surging towards you, you can alway use surge to retreat/avoid him while shooting back.

I use MAX's a lot, does that mean i hould complain about TR's using Strikers and Surge against me ????... no, its a good tactic.

Actually, surge only works when you move forward. If you have surge turned on and strafe to either side or backpeddle your speed reduced to normal. Sooo... the JH will just be in your face at lighthing speed. Your only option is to fight or run and have him shoot you in the back with no hope of returning fire.

I think anyone who does not realize which HA is the most effective/powerful is either not experienced or is intentionally deceptive to make a point. Like the guys who enjoyed all the easy killing with the original Flail public release. Why ruin a good advantage by agreeing and helping to expose your overpowered asset? -Just my opinion, because to me the JH has sooo many advantages especially when paired with surge. I'ts obvious.

Finally, if you use MAXs then you should fear a Deci + surge or a Deci + cover far more than you fear a Striker. Not, that I'm complaining. I love my striker. I like the lock on ability to chase off aircraft and annoy MAXs. But, honestly, when I get a kill with the striker I feel lucky. Typically, when defending a base, I go to the base walls with 2 strikers equiped in my Rexo allowing me to carry 45 rockets. After firing ALL 45 shots I have 1 or 2 kills. The damage is low enough that most opponenets have the time to leave unless they are wounded by something else. Now, 2 or 3 guys with strikers hitting the same target... there is ownage.

Queensidecastle · 2003-12-12, 12:13 PM

I think anyone who does not realize which HA is the most effective/powerful is either not experienced or is intentionally deceptive to make a point

I agree, I find that extremely annoying. Agile/Surge/Lasher and Agile/Surge/MCG just isnt the same level of problem. None would be a problem if they would just tweak surge where if your Agile or Standard trying to Surge with HA, your stamina drains out in like 5 seconds

Gigabein · 2003-12-12, 12:28 PM

None would be a problem if they would just tweak surge where if your Agile or Standard trying to Surge with HA, your stamina drains out in like 5 seconds

Or make weapon/tool size have varying impacts on surge speed. Smaller weapon/tool = bigger benefit from Surge. Benefit could go something like this:

None/Knife > Standard Assault/Hand Grenade/REK/BANK/Med Applicator/Command Uplink Device > MA/Ace/Nano Dispenser > Sniper = SA > AV > HA

The Decimator would be an exception... same surge benefit as AV. Hopefully there's some infiltrators, engineers, and medics that would appreciate this, too

Edit: Conversely you can look at this as penalties to the existing Surge system. Whipping out HA in Standard/Agile would put you around the same speed or slower as the current REXO. HA in REXO would come close to negating surge, making it pointless to run with your weapon out.

Queensidecastle · 2003-12-12, 12:32 PM

I would agree except I think there needs to be a compelling reason to wear reinforced if you want to be effective with HA. An idea that DOES NOT INCLUDE A POORLY THOUGHTOUT AND HEAVY HANDED approach like the idea of a Rexo prereq for HA

Madcow · 2003-12-12, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Queensidecastle

I would agree except I think there needs to be a compelling reason to wear reinforced if you want to be effective with HA. An idea that DOES NOT INCLUDE A POORLY THOUGHTOUT AND HEAVY HANDED approach like the idea of a Rexo prereq for HA

I have no problem at all with them creating an HA slot on the reinforced only. I think they should need to drop HA to 3 cert points because of it, but make it so that reinforced is the only armor that you can wear and still wield HA. Of course, they should also buff the reinforced by another 50 armor points but that's a story for another day.

Zatrais · 2003-12-12, 12:56 PM

There is no honor in surging in agile/standard whit a HA. Its a cheap ass tactic that cannot be defended against simply because you're not where your opponent sees you, surger monkeys warp all over the place, thats the real problem.

Surging whit HA is PS on easy mode.

SpunkyKuma · 2003-12-12, 04:40 PM

My friend plays PS on my PC, she plays VS and TR but when she loots a JH she gets a good string of kills before she dies. Just yesterday in a tower fight against NC she nailed 4 NCs within 10 seconds, two of them from triple-shot and I bet the NCs were not happy to get a taste of their own medicine. Those 4 NCs were alive for a good while too, and she doesn't use surge.

Know the strength and weakness of weapons, too many NCs rely on the JH even outdoors, and rely too heavily on surge as well.

Queensidecastle · 2003-12-12, 04:46 PM

Well, its kinda all moot anyways because it will be nerfed in some way. Its best that these lamers do it now and get it out of thier system cause thier daily kill counts are going to drop like a rock

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