State Of The Union Baby!!!!!!!!!!

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
We're not deciding what they won't or don't want. Although I think its safe to say, that being murdered for disagreement isn't right. Incredible amounts of torture, genocide, and slaughter of children is universally accepted as evil. That's when we step in. That is just and moral. We are forcing our views or style of government on anyone. You can't force freedom on anyone. It's just not possible.

If you think this is the reason we are going into Iraq you are sorely mistaken. That is just fluff to garner support from the American people.

If it really is for humanitarian reasons, why didn't we go in along time ago. Why don't we go into the numerous countries where worse atrocities are going on? Why single out Iraq?

The sole reason that the US is going into Iraq is because of the weapons. If Iraq is stockpiling weapons of mass desruction than it is an issue of security and then becomes a valid reason, in the international community's eyes, for violating Iraq's soverignty.

This is why so much has been hinging on weapons inspectors and their reports.

[Incompetent]

If it really is for humanitarian reasons, why didn't we go in along time ago.

Because the entire world bitchs at us whenever we try to do anything, everything is hinging on the weapons inspectors because the rest of the world is to scared to go in there and get their hands dirty unless they're scared something bad might happen to them. Quite simply, if the rest of the world didn't just assume we were after oil every time we do anything overseas, we might actaully be able to get something done.

[Sol]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
"I just hope it doesn't destablize that region. The U.S. could have a major problem on their hands if lot of the middle east decide to act. I know that they may not but that area isn't very happy about any U.S. involvement."

Time for some schoolin, sit back, I'm gonna learn ya one...

It is impossible to destabilize that region. They are all at odds with each other. They are all ready to slit each other's necks.

Also, there are only 3 actual militaries in the mid east, Israel, Iraq, and Iran. The next closest thing is Egypt, and they know enough to sit down and shut up, because even the puss UN is on their ass like white on rice.

Israel - most powerful and elite army in the entire region - 7 day war anyone? - our greates ally
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Iraq - they folded like a wet napkin on a windy day
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Iran - they want Hussein dead ASAP
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We whoop a lot of ass.

You forgot at least one: Syria, and its right wing.

[Navaron]

"what is your idea of an evil country "

one that does shit like this - - - > http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...damdossier.pdf

READ THAT

"how about a country that bombards its people with nothing but bad media to keep them scared and distracted ,while the government uses that to make money and pass laws that take away peoples freedoms"

Fortunately our media isn't government owned, and our leaders elected....

"what about a country where people are aloud to freely demonstrate Rascism and make money off it publicly ."

Huh?

"What about a country where they pit other smaller countrys against them selfs for there bennefit ,and then are stupid enough to let those people turn around attack there own country"

I know what you're trying to allude to, but I bet you don't. Back this up o mighty one.

"What about a country that was built on slavery ."

Like every single country in Africa, the countries in the Middle East that still have slavery, England, Rome, Italy, most of Euroupe including France, Japan, China, South America? What about those? You trying to make a point?

"what about a country that dispite what the world tells them goes ahead and attacks a smaller country to bennefit itslef."

What benifit would that be? Not being attacked by terrorists again? I'd say that would be fine by me.

At least come up with some good crazy stuff it you're going to try.

[Sputty]

Argh, too much reading...You still hurt my feelings though...
Why are you so mean to me?!?!?! Although I agree with you most of the time especially on what you said about ABRAXXAS's comments.

[Sol]

Sputty, its pretty clear that Navaron and Vicchio are going to insult and condescend anyone that disagrees with them.

[Zumthor]

[Navaron]

Syria is as worthless as tits on a boar. They don't even have a competant land force.

"If you think this is the reason we are going into Iraq you are sorely mistaken."

No no no, you asked when we should go in. Those were the times, I left out when we were in direct harm. I know the war about Iraq is that there is common knowledge that Iraq supports, harbors, and trains terrorists, and that they have a shitload of weapons they aren't being forthright with.

"If it really is for humanitarian reasons, why didn't we go in along time ago."

We do. We're pretty fucking consistant too, Clinton fucked up a whole lot, but America holds the world. If you don't believe that, go look at any countries embassy website and look and see how much loot we send them.

We've gone in all the way from Mogadishu to Iraq.

The problem is that we shouldn't have this problem. If Clinton had of dealt with it after Iraq had violated their agreement after5 years, we wouldnt have this problem.

[Zumthor]

[Sol]

Syria has the 3rd largest army in the middle east, something up there at least.

[Navaron]

"Sputty, its pretty clear that Navaron and Vicchio are going to insult and condescend anyone that disagrees with them."

That's certainly not fair. I have openly confronted people who spout nonsense that they can't even back up with fact. The only person I insulted was ABRAX and he agreed that he was a moron. If you don't want to read it or participate in a serious conversation with people who take it seriously, then don't. There are people on here who don't know everything and are trying to form an opinion. An educated opinion is the best, and I think you'd agree.

[archaic1128]

ABRAAXUS,
You are a complete idiot that needs a reality check. Let me start out by saying i hardly ever read any news from our local broadcasters, let alone watch it. I try to get my info from as many media organizations around this globe as i can. Like these for an example:
http://www.arabnews.com/
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page.html
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/

These are just a few but you get the idea. Now time for your reality check,


"what about a country where people are aloud to freely demonstrate Rascism and make money off it publicly ."

Like it or not it's called FREE SPEECH. Something we americans can enjoy w/o the possibility of being slaughtered by some government henchman.

"What about a country that was built on slavery ."

Yer kidding right? People in Iraq ,N. Korea and China aren't slaves? They get to freely pursue happiness and wealth too i suppose? They also have freedom of speach i bet?
what happened a few hundred years ago has nothing to do w/ todays issues, moron. Last time i checked the US was a global leader for human rights, no?

"what about a country that dispite what the world tells them goes ahead and attacks a smaller country to bennefit itslef."

Personally, i don't give a fuck what any other country says. If other countries are to lazy or scared to get off their asses to do something about WMD's, then they can fuck off.

If you honestly think Hussein wouldn't use nukes or chemical weapons, then you are the one who is brain washed. He tests his weapons on his OWN people for christ's sake, get real.Should everyone standby and watch until it's to late. You know kinda like the Europeans did w/ Germany before WWII.

I could ramble on and on but fuck it. I think i'm just wasting my time w/ this moron.

Please, get your head out of your ASS before you post a reply, ok?

[Navaron]

"? look at afganistan The us government trained them to fight russia giving them military training and weapons only to turn around and have them attack the us"

God you are a moron, I knew you didn't know which one. Arrg.

Anyway, Afghanistan didn't attack us. We would have blown the hell out of them if they had, people who lived there attacked us not the country. We funded the Muja Hadein in the 80s to help us fight the cold war, which is not the Taliban.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron

"If it really is for humanitarian reasons, why didn't we go in along time ago."

We do. We're pretty fucking consistant too, Clinton fucked up a whole lot, but America holds the world. If you don't believe that, go look at any countries embassy website and look and see how much loot we send them.

We've gone in all the way from Mogadishu to Iraq.

Consistant in our humanitarian escapades? Are you serious?

Why aren't we still in Somalia? Why aren't we in Sierra Lione? What does money have to do with the US preventing atrocities? You brought up Bosnia earlier, why did it take us so long to go in there? We pick and choose our humanitarian battles and it almost always has to do with protecting US interests.
Humanitarian reasons have little to do with it. The US is a very self interested country and there is nothing wrong with that.

It is complete garbage when you try to say that the US's interests are the rights of people everywhere.

[Navaron]

"They also trained Iraqies and columbians "

Yes you moron, they did, and yes it did work out for us. The Iraqis helped us defeat Iran in the cold war, it just turned out that Saddam took power. Sure we could have killed him, but that would have been meddling in internal affairs, we don't do that once a country is free.

The Columbian training definately worked out in the best interest of us and Columbia (believe it or not). Just do a websearch on these things before you post.