Bullying

[0Cob0]

Originally Posted by AztecWarrior

I'm really not a fan of abuser's rights. The fact of the matter is, she really started it. She wasn't thinking of the future, nor wasn't exactly thinking of compassion, when she was bullying all those other kids. The tables turn. Now, I'm not going to make a judgement, as I don't know what she did to the other kids, and I'm not sure what slag is. I'm pretty sure it's a product used in/produced as waste of steelmaking, at least over here.

So, she started it. But is the response correct?

Erm... I'm not sure how you can say that she started it exactly, sure she was part of a crowd responsible for misery in everyone else, but in most schools, over here anyhow, if you aren't actually in a 'bully gang' then you're probably being bullied...have to be unusual to be out of the loop entirely

She just gets unlucky to be picked out as a target, probably an insignificant member of the group before, someone starts a rumour, and her school life gets ruined

Can't understand why the parents didnt do more, though it depends on the backgrounds of the kids involved...someones house got burned down near where i am last year cause of a similar situation escalating

School authority has gone to hell lately...no wait, it's always been crap, in terms of bullying, but the generation is getting more spoiled and indulged...it's difficult sometimes not to write a person off and drop them in a cell for the next fifty years, but i guess you have to look at backgrounds...maybe confiscate them from their parents and bring 'em up state controlled

P.S. slag = slut if you grow up in coal-mining own, use it refer to someone as the waste of society and then let it evolve a few generations

[Everay]

karma man, i never did this shit ever though, people treated me like crap later on in my life around middle school did in highschool, though i started sticking up for myself around then, though, not as much as i should have. but whatever, its just kid shit, dont dwell on it, but if someone called and woke me up at night id be pissed, that or during dinner, it pisses me off to no end to be woken up or disturbed during dinner.

BTW, coal miners provide power for most of the world, those kids should grow up, that makes a coal miner pretty fuckin important in my book.

[0Cob0]

No, I mean slag being used as an insult comes from the fact that slag is the waste product from coal or steel (as has been mentioned), and hence was adopted as a general insult, implying the namee(?) was waste product...it wasnt an insult towards the miners...it then evolved into the equivilant of slut for some reason

right about the kids needing to grow up though, pity that they'll then have more children who'll be brought up exactly the same way

[Hezzy]

She was part of a group that bullied other people. Then the group turned on her because she started spreading rumours that the ringleader was sleeping with her boyfriend.

She should've been bullied, don't get me wrong, but not this much. Getting absolutly hammered by three people != justice. That's overkill. She simply needed a slap at the most.

[Breed]

Sorry but i have to play Devils advocate, I smell BS.
It sounds more like something conjured up to stir emotions up amongst the populace to promote the support of anti-bullying laws/acts etc.

Most of societies problems boil down to bad parenting, i see this and i imagine that many of you do too.
Our nation, nay, our world is plagued by a desease, and we cant just cut off the tip of the problem and expect it to go away; we have to go to the root and make massive changes.

It's too late for some people, the damage is already done.
But i for one will teach my children right from wrong and disipline them when necasary, society today is filled with weakness such as the global "Its not my fault, its xxx fault" which moves onto so many things such as suing someone becasue you spilt hot coffee on yourself, blaming violent video games for your childs violent behaviour when its infact the parents neglegence that causes it.

If the story is true then i feel really sorry for her, not just for the events that occurred but also because her family doesn't at any time really take the steps to prevent these things happening to her.

I could go on but it's too early for discussing the issues of decaying society and our image of ourselves

[Fragmatic]

Originally Posted by Breed

Sorry but i have to play Devils advocate, I smell BS.
It sounds more like something conjured up to stir emotions up amongst the populace to promote the support of anti-bullying laws/acts etc.

Despite what you may think, these things do happen, part of the problem is not believing they do.

[Breed]

I believe bullying happens, anyone who thinks to the contrary is a moron, i was bullied myself for a short peroid in both junoir and secondary school.
In both cases i handled it myself, but not everyone can and it's up to the parents to sort these things out.

I merely meant that particular story, it just doesnt add up, she was constantly severly bullied, she was beaten so bad she was hospitalised and the parents dont bat an eye-lid?
She cuts her arms open and they what? Have a few words with the principle?

I do not have children yet so i cant state my opinion with 100% certainty, but my children would be the single most important thing in my life and if i knew my little girl was on the receiving end of this i would confront not only the police and the adminstration of that school, i would get the names of all the childrens parents and go door to door and discuss with them the problems being faced and what solutions are necasary to prevent it from happening.

I see a lot of "Oh if i was the parents i'd kick their teeth in and their parents asses", i hear this a lot on forums and in real-life, the sad thing is i find people like this are often all words and no action, and even if they were, what good is a caring lovely parent like urself going to do against an aggressive skinhead father who hates black people, homosexuals and beats his kids?
You honestly think your going to "kick his ass"? I honestly don't think so.

This is not the movies, real life is dangerous and you have to approach things in a sensible manner of your going to get yourself in a whole pile of deep shit.

Frag, remember when Danny was being threatened in RL? Thats real shit right there.
Remember how pissed off i was when on 2 seperate occasions you mentiuoned dumb shit that would of got him either kileld or arrested? It's ideas like that that cause problems.
Now im not having a go at you dude as i know you apologised afterwards but it's that kind of thinking that really pisses me off.

Wow, kinda went off topic there.

Ok to sum-up in reply to your post frag, im well aware that these things happen, it's just this particular story i find to be "flimsy".

[Fragmatic]

Fair enough about the end part, I can be a bit of a twat at times.

Originally Posted by Breed

I see a lot of "Oh if i was the parents i'd kick their teeth in and their parents asses", i hear this a lot on forums and in real-life, the sad thing is i find people like this are often all words and no action, and even if they were, what good is a caring lovely parent like urself going to do against an aggressive skinhead father who hates black people, homosexuals and beats his kids?
You honestly think your going to "kick his ass"? I honestly don't think so.

You don't know Triggar do you?

[Breed]

Nope, whos triggar?
6ft5, pumps iron like van-damme and studies in 3 different martial arts? :P

[Everay]

no, but im sure she knows how to use a Tazer and a bat, and i know she knows how to use a gun.

[Breed]

Originally Posted by Everay

no, but im sure she knows how to use a Tazer and a bat, and i know she knows how to use a gun.

Yes, that will help your child!
Break the law AND use lethal weaponry!

Im sure the people at the child care agency will take better care of them anyway as you spend the best years of their life in jail.

[Fragmatic]

Originally Posted by Breed

Nope, whos triggar?
6ft5, pumps iron like van-damme and studies in 3 different martial arts? :P

That's Triggar

[Breed]

Hardly the towering athletic god i imagined.
...nice tho!

[Black]

Originally Posted by Breed

Hardly the towering athletic god i imagined.
...nice tho!

[Fragmatic]

Originally Posted by Breed

Hardly the towering athletic god i imagined.
...nice tho!

you do know her boyfriend hangs around here too?