Absurd, utterly absurd.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by archaic1128
Lex,
Where in this guys ad or in my scriptures that were posted do you see VIOLENCE? Ther is no violence, just moral people disagreeing w/ the homosexual lifestyle. Oh thats right were forcing our veiws and our lifestyle on the homosexual community by disagreeing w/ it.

Hate crimes on gays exist. (even Mr V would like to beleive that they don't)

Creating an environment that is more intolerant of gays would increase the number of hate crimes on gays.

Allowing anti-gay advertisement would add to creating an environment that is intolerant of gays.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by archaic1128
Oh i see, so what you're saying is God's word gets antiquated? It doesn't apply to todays world? what the hell are you talking about?

Do you use electricity on the sabbath?

[Arshune]

archaic1128-I'm saying that those aren't really God's words (IMO). The Bible is still a book, regardless of its religious significance, and someone had to sit down and write it. God didn't just open up a celestial printing press and start dropping them down among the populace.

I'm not a Christian, but I used to be. One of the reasons I dropped it was the Bible. Another was the common belief among christian doctrines that going to church every Sunday somehow makes you a better person and more worthy of getting into heaven. There's a lot of crazy garbage in the Bible, there's even a passage that says if a woman is having her period and she touches a man, that man is stained with sin for several days.

Don't yell at me for expressing an opinion in a thread that's mostly about just that-opinion.

[archaic1128]

Yes, i do. What the Sabbath is meant for is for one to not WORK, take time to reflect on ones life, spend time w/ loved ones etc. It does not in any way reflect upon the use of electricty.

[SandTrout]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Children under the age of 13 might see the ad and have their opinions swayed. Their thinking will be hey, this is in a newspaper so it must be true. Not everyone in society has the ability to make up their own mind.

Holy crap. That is what I thought when I read this.

Lex, you are saying that it should be illeagal to try to sway someone's opinion by exposing them to a thought. You would have free speach baned from all places if you truely belive what you wrote. Think about it a little.

This thread is not about weather homosexuality right or wrong. It is about people no longer being able to express themselves freely without fear of being sued/arrested. A hate crime is a punishment for a thought. Thoughts should not be punished, only actions. A person hateing another group should be used as a motive in their conviction, but when we start punishing thought, we begin down a path of oppresion and totalitarianism. One step at a time, the govornment gains dictation on acceptable thought.

Sometimes I wish I could find I hole to crawl into and hide while the world destroys itself and becomes what it set out to prevent. I understand how the "Savage" in "A Brave new World" fealt now.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Arshune
I'm not going to get in on this argument, but I'm going to say one thing...any TRUE Christian knows that the Bible was written by men and is therefore not the accurate word of God. Unless it's a direct quotation of Jesus or it's the 10 commandments, don't listen to it.

Edit: And even the 10 commandments can't be proven to be the word of God, they're just 10 simple rules that make you a better person.

"TRUE" is not the right word. But I would say that most educated Chritians understand this.

Unfortunately most Christians are not very educated with regards to Christianity.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by archaic1128
Yes, i do. What the Sabbath is meant for is for one to not WORK, take time to reflect on ones life, spend time w/ loved ones etc. It does not in any way reflect upon the use of electricty.

Do you eat shell fish?

[Arshune]

There, I edited that post...jeez, one little word and everyone complains.

Oh, and FYI to all those who support the Bible as irrefutable and infallible-there are several instances of inconsistency within the text, and there are also several passages that are in direct contradiction of other passages. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the Bible was made by men on.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by SandTrout
Holy crap. That is what I thought when I read this.

Lex, you are saying that it should be illeagal to try to sway someone's opinion by exposing them to a thought. You would have free speach baned from all places if you truely belive what you wrote. Think about it a little.

This thread is not about weather homosexuality right or wrong. It is about people no longer being able to express themselves freely without fear of being sued/arrested. A hate crime is a punishment for a thought. Thoughts should not be punished, only actions. A person hateing another group should be used as a motive in their conviction, but when we start punishing thought, we begin down a path of oppresion and totalitarianism. One step at a time, the govornment gains dictation on acceptable thought.

Why isn't pornography legal for children under the age of 18?

There are just things that we don't want our children to be exposed to. Hate is something I don't want our children to be exposed to.

[archaic1128]

"I'm not a Christian, but I used to be. One of the reasons I dropped it was the Bible. Another was the common belief among christian doctrines that going to church every Sunday somehow makes you a better person and more worthy of getting into heaven. There's a lot of crazy garbage in the Bible, there's even a passage that says if a woman is having her period and she touches a man, that man is stained with sin for several days.

I do not go to church every sunday. I haven't went to church in years. No where in the bible does it state you MUST goto church to be a good christian. Although i have been an altar boy and went to church more in my youth than most people do in a lifetime.

As far as not having sex when a womans time is in, did you ever think of the meaning behind it? Just take a look at diseases and how they are spread, think about that for a bit.

As far as yelling at you i did not mean it that way. I was utterly shocked that you would state only a true christian believes that the Bible is just a fairytale.

[Arshune]

No no no no, I mean it actually says if she so much as touches the man, he's considered stained. That strikes me as being a little crazy.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
You're gonna aquire a "troll" status quickly if you don't start finishing those sentences with IMO.

You are going to aquire troll status if you keep attacking arshune and not arshunes argument. This is the second thread you have done it in.

[archaic1128]

Arshune, that is my belief of the context. I highly doubt it means the feeling of a woman. "Stained" if you think about it, when you have sex w/ a woman during her time, you do get stained. Blood to Blood contact, a way for most lethal diseases to communicate.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Arshune
There, I edited that post...jeez, one little word and everyone complains.

Oh, and FYI to all those who support the Bible as irrefutable and infallible-there are several instances of inconsistency within the text, and there are also several passages that are in direct contradiction of other passages. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the Bible was made by men on.

BTW I was agreeing with your post. I just didn't like the word true thrown in there.

[archaic1128]

"Oh, and FYI to all those who support the Bible as irrefutable and infallible-there are several instances of inconsistency within the text, and there are also several passages that are in direct contradiction of other passages. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the Bible was made by men on."

Please feel free to enlighten me.