Friendly Fire?

[Hamma]

FF needs to be in the game, hopeful this is just a testing phase and they realize it's really needed. The game would be a spamfest without it.

Just think, enemies in alongside friendly's all you need to do is drop a grenade in the group.

[Raymac]

To play devil's advocate (since finally there is something we all agree on besides the new Hair God), I can imagine an assaulting squad laying down a wall of fire being met by a defending squad doing the same and colliding in a glorious expolsion of death and destruction....of course that can still happen with friendly fire on, I guess.

[bjorntju1]

Accidentally voted for no, but i meant yes. Slipped the button

But if there's no FF everyone would just spam weapons,grenades etcetera. If there is FF you need to be more tactical and you cant just spray away. Now what i personally think is a nice system is that if a bullet does 10 damage to an enemy player, it does let's say 5 to an friendly. It would dis-encourage players to just spam weapons, but it would be harder to kill an friendly then an enemy. So if an friendly walks in front of your gun, grenade etc. it would do less damage. Most of my TK or friendly fire in the original come from people walking in front of my weapon while i am firing.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Accuser

It's possible that there will be no FF, but there WILL be a grief system. I think that might be best to punish the griefers for hitting friendlies, but ease the pain of friendly fire hitting me in the back all the damn time.

It would be unrealistic, but imagine the possibilities if FF damaged the offender and left the victim unharmed?

Originally Posted by Logit

Bye bye dueling

Comon', dueling doesn't have to disappear. Just give players a duel system. Two or more people have to accept the duel request and then, game on!

[Quovatis]

All I ask for is not to penalize running someone over when on your screen you clearly missed them. I hated that about PS1 where you would get grief for "running over" a player with high ping because you hit them on their screen, but not yours. There's no way to predict someone will run in front of your tank 2 seconds after you passed them! LOL

[Tatwi]

Voted YES, because FF "makes sense" from both grief and game play perspectives and adding it later on would be a very, very bad idea.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Quovatis

All I ask for is not to penalize running someone over when on your screen you clearly missed them. I hated that about PS1 where you would get grief for "running over" a player with high ping because you hit them on their screen, but not yours. There's no way to predict someone will run in front of your tank 2 seconds after you passed them! LOL

Ya, can they not write in code that would invalidate the collision if say the packets were the issue? I guess that would be kind of weird looking though. Your client would all of the sudden say you were hit one second but then give back the HP and grief if it determined you didn't actually collide?

[Malorn]

Friendly Fire is a straight up skill increase to a FPS game. You have to learn fire control and it also keeps cheesy tactics like grenade spam in a busy hallway from being a viable tactic (yes we saw it in PS due to the sheer number of people, but it didn't take long for them to get tons of grief and stop doing it or get weaponslocked - without friendly fire it would have been far, far worse). It also is an increase reward for better positioning & crossfire since too many players in one intermingling tends to cause friendly fire.

The idea of it not being there feels like a step in the wrong direction as I considered the grief system a really good system for friendly fire and one of the great parts of PS1.

[BorisBlade]

FF is key to gameplay, even if you have to delay the game, you just do it, cause the game is not done if you cant even get FF and a grief system. Its like launching without weapons and saying we will get em in shortly. Its too fundamental, you cant even balance things without FF on, that will later have FF included. Someone needs to turn their brain back on and just get it done.

[Lonehunter]

In some other shooters, explosives can be stuck to friendlies so they can jump through a door, hole, what ever. So the explosive goes off instantly.

Just another example of no FF=Bad

[Brusi]

Originally Posted by DviddLeff

Grief system was one of the near perfect systems from PS1.

No need for any change.

Personally i think that if anyone you know who is palying the game seriously, attempting to minimise their friendly fire and not TK'ing and is still getting weapons lock, then i would not say that it is perfect.

Weapons lock happens if:

• You play a lot
• You play as infantry in primetime basefights using aoe a lot
• You play as a flail
• Probably quite a few situations that others will recognise...

I don't do these things very much and thus i never hit weapons lock, however unfortunately there are some game mechanics that rack up greif much faster than others.

The system is not perfect, but it's definitely not that bad. I definitely can see how they may have scalability problems with the current system tho...

[Logit]

Originally Posted by Tatwi

Voted YES, because FF "makes sense" from both grief and game play perspectives and adding it later on would be a very, very bad idea.

This, when you try to think about game breaking ideas. This could potentially be something, if they don't add it, that will piss a lot of people off and possibly even turn them off from the game.

Spam is just annoying game play and nobody wants to deal with that shit day in and day out.

[Lonehunter]

Originally Posted by Brusi

Weapons lock happens if You play as a flail

without a spotter.

Just had to add that, it was designed with that in mind. We just need better artillery with a direct view of a base, or more incentive to work as a team in long range siege weaponry.

[Brusi]

Spotters these days have to be pretty skillful, dedicated and patient to stay alive constantly in a hotzone and not run off for kills of their own. In the current system, once grief starts to get high, it gets higher quicker.

Trying to develop a catch all system for griefing wankers, indiscriminate spammers and generally poor-team players is a pretty gutsy endevour.

I watched a douche-bag in a flight variant BFR the other day, jumping up and collecting freindly flail shot because he didn't like the guy who firing the flail. The current system would still need some tweaking, however griefing is a fact of life and having a perfect catch-all system to stop griefing is probably not possible.

[Sirisian]

Originally Posted by Brusi

I watched a douche-bag in a flight variant BFR the other day, jumping up and collecting freindly flail shot because he didn't like the guy who firing the flail.

That one hits. When the flying BFR jumps in the air the shield turns off. At that point it only takes the damage of 3 mines(?) to kill a flying variant. Or was this like directly in front of the flail?