News: Resolved - PS2 Region

[basti]

Hmm, this gets better and better really.

There is hope!

[EZShot]

In most of the UK, that is outside the cities, you rarely see above 8mb on a seriously quick day. Bit out of date I reckon but there you go :P Latency sometimes gets shorter as you connect to servers on the continent...

Not everybody has Fibres running to their modem. In games like this you HAVE to make it playable on the worst case scenario at minimum requirements on a heavily throttled internet connection to have any chance of hitting a Top 10 Best Seller list.

[General M]

I think things are moving in our favour, just popped on PCG and very unhappy people in the comments regarding region lock.

[EZShot]

Originally Posted by Duddy

I severely doubt your understanding of server and network architecture allows you to determine that international play would be "impossible".

You don't know him. Chill out.

Also. This game is a LOT bigger (4x at least). But I severely doubt your understanding of server and network architecture allow you to determine that.

[Wakken]

Got a request to post the whole email, so here it is!



My grammar might not be 100%, you will just have to live with it

[Gandhi]

Originally Posted by GTGD

I see people whipping out their pings, but it really doesn't matter that you have just under 100 ping with your 100mbps connection. Most people don't have connections that fast, and you're forgetting that their connection matters too. Your 100 ping and their 100 ping together means there is a lot more latency. More latency means you need better prediction in the game engine, and a LOT more processing power. You saw how PS went from running ok to chugging at 15fps during a red alert (not now, when the game was released and people used current hardware). Now imagine that for thousands instead of hundreds of players. It simply won't be possible, especially for the hardware requirements they are touting.

If you want to start excluding people with 100 ms ping there's going to be a lot of Canadians and Americans who can't play on their own regional servers.

And I appreciate the sentiment regarding prediction, but that's just not how it works. There's no difference in processing time between a 300 ms player and a 50 ms player.

edit: Also, ping has nothing to do with your bandwidth. You can have 50 ms ping on a dialup connection and 300 ms ping on a 100mbit connection, it all depends on the route between you and the destination.

[jakaul]

So I must be dumb, but can someone tell me how a Euro player with 100 ping and a US player with 100 ping connecting to a server in the US means the Euro player degrades game performance?

[Duddy]

Originally Posted by EZShot

You don't know him. Chill out.

Also. This game is a LOT bigger (4x at least). But I severely doubt your understanding of server and network architecture allow you to determine that.

Sorry, I don't understand why people use definitive words such a "impossible" when actually they should say something like "infeasible".

You're right that I couldn't tell you exactly how it'll work either, as I am not one of SOE's network engineers. I've done enough computer networking, and we've seen enough prior examples of it working, however to know that it is feasible and not impossible as he insisted.

[Mirror]

Originally Posted by Duddy

Sorry, I don't understand why people use definitive words such a "impossible" when actually they should say something like "infeasible".

You're right that I couldn't tell you exactly how it'll work either, as I am not one of SOE's network engineers. I've done enough computer networking, and we've seen enough prior examples of it working, however to know that it is feasible and not impossible as he insisted.

We know it's possible. Login to Gemini and see for yourself.

Planetside is 9 years old as well.

[GTGD]

Originally Posted by Gandhi

If you want to start excluding people with 100 ms ping there's going to be a lot of Canadians and Americans who can't play on their own regional servers.

And I appreciate the sentiment regarding prediction, but that's just not how it works. There's no difference in processing time between a 300 ms player and a 50 ms player.

I'm not saying there is a difference in processing time, there is a difference in the experience. The game tries to keep up with the packets being sent and correct the placement of the enemy on your screen. But with higher latency and rapid changes in movement, the changes become more drastic. That is why you get rubber-banding ADADADADers.

[sylphaen]

Originally Posted by Mirror

This is what we want.

+1

[Duddy]

Originally Posted by GTGD

I'm not saying there is a difference in processing time, there is a difference in the experience. The game tries to keep up with the packets being sent and correct the placement of the enemy on your screen. But with higher latency and rapid changes in movement, the changes become more drastic. That is why you get rubber-banding ADADADADers.

Perhaps you should read this excellent post by SKYeXile on the subject of the subject of ADADADA'ers, perhaps even his subsequent posts.

More importantly, I do hope you're not solely comparing this to the experience in PS because the game was not great at dealing with movement prediction, even for local players.

[GTGD]

Originally Posted by Duddy

Sorry, I don't understand why people use definitive words such a "impossible" when actually they should say something like "infeasible".

You're right that I couldn't tell you exactly how it'll work either, as I am not one of SOE's network engineers. I've done enough computer networking, and we've seen enough prior examples of it working, however to know that it is feasible and not impossible as he insisted.

Impossible at an acceptable level of performance. Of course you COULD do it, it is possible for me to enter online games with 900 ping. That doesn't make it playable. It would be foolish to think that the kind of experience that exists in Planetside today would be even close to acceptable in PS2, especially considering the scale of it.

I know everyone is upset about being split, it sucks. But for once, maybe think that this isn't a money grab by SOE, and it's for the benefit of the players. Maybe, be willing to accept it and enjoy the game?





An aside, someone had an idea of international and regional servers, which is a great idea. Only thing is, would there be a cooperation between SOE and Prosieben? Or would one take over the international server? I can't think of a scenario where it isn't a gigantic mess for either management or the players. But the idea is ideal.

[Nephilimuk]

Mate, listen:

Some of us know each other for many, many years. Ive started playing Planetside back in 2004, and since then, i know people. I know them very well, ive met them several times, and damn i wouldnt be happy to loose them.
With the potential of an IP block, entire guilds would be ripped apart. Some of them very big and succesful guilds, some of them existing since the very dawn of EQ2. You dont rip such communitys apart. You simply dont do this, for two reasons: First, its really mean to do it, and second, you would loose most, if not all of them permanelty. Its rather rare that people play a game just because of the game for extremly long periods of time. Its much more common that players form groups of common minds (guilds), and enjoy the game together. They stay with the game because their mates are there, and because the game is fun together with them. Heck, ive played WOW for quite a while, and I never really liked that game. Yet, i played it, only because my planetside outfit (a guild pretty much) was playing it. We enjoyed Raiding, we enjoyed PVP, but only together. None of us, not a single guy, left and went to another guild. We sticked together, a whole bunch of us (we did our own 25 mans easily, got around 40 people at peak times).
When a few key people left, all of us left.

Its social interaction that makes MMOs fun. The gameplay and quality of a game only provides a base to build such communitys

Basti fantastic post mate - 100% hit the nail on the head

[jakaul]

Originally Posted by GTGD

Impossible at an acceptable level of performance. Of course you COULD do it, it is possible for me to enter online games with 900 ping. That doesn't make it playable. It would be foolish to think that the kind of experience that exists in Planetside today would be even close to acceptable in PS2, especially considering the scale of it.

I know everyone is upset about being split, it sucks. But for once, maybe think that this isn't a money grab by SOE, and it's for the benefit of the players. Maybe, be willing to accept it and enjoy the game?

An aside, someone had an idea of international and regional servers, which is a great idea. Only thing is, would there be a cooperation between SOE and Prosieben? Or would one take over the international server? I can't think of a scenario where it isn't a gigantic mess for either management or the players. But the idea is ideal.

So I must be dumb, but can someone tell me how a Euro player with 100 ping and a US player with 100 ping connecting to a server in the US means the Euro player degrades game performance?