To be honest, I'm disappointed PS2 is copying CoD/BF's gunplay.

[Yutty]

Originally Posted by Bags

TTK on rexo is like 1.2-1.4 with HA in PS1.

TTK of a Standard Assault on a Rexo ing ps1 would be a better comparison for Light vs Heavy in ps2. Heavy Assault usually are more powerful weapons than Standard Assault and it still took longer than how fast That Light Assault took down a Heavy in part 2 of the gdc vid.

[davek]

Did we really just ban someone because we thought their opinion was dumb and had no real point?

[Bags]

DAvek, did you not read the thread?

[dai shan]

Originally Posted by Bags

DAvek, did you not read the thread?

I just skimmed it, but I didn't see anything ban-worthy.

[Fenrys]

Originally Posted by davek

Did we really just ban someone because we thought their opinion was dumb and had no real point?

It was an alias for someone who was being a jerk in the past and got banned for it then too. If there wasn't a history, this thread alone may not have been ban worthy.

If you want to act like , take it to the politics forum. I don't think you can get banned for posting in there.

[Eighm]

Originally Posted by dai shan

I just skimmed it, but I didn't see anything ban-worthy.

A lot of the posts were deleted.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by dai shan

I just skimmed it, but I didn't see anything ban-worthy.

He ban evaded. He's marth koopa.

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by davek

Did we really just ban someone because we thought their opinion was dumb and had no real point?

No. We banned someone who admitted they were purposefully trolling.

[Hamma]

Not only that evaded a ban. So trust us.. it was warranted

[BorgUK]

I like pie

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Not only that evaded a ban. So trust us.. it was warranted

Hamma is oppressing us!

[BorisBlade]

Originally Posted by Higby

Yeh, I know he's a troll, same dude on twitter bugging me with the same nonsense. I more wanted you guys to all know where were coming from. The gunplay you have seen isn't final by any means, we have a lot more hard work to go before we're all happy with it - and it's much more of a "meeting the impressively high bar that's been set by other AAA FPS games" than "copying [battlefield/halo/cod/whatever]" when we integrate those features into Planetside. There is a price to admission to be a AAA FPS game, and these types of gunplay feel mechanics are part of that.

Personally i dont call BF/CoD AAA titles. Put all the flash and what not you want, but its gameplay that makes me think high quality and those games are as deep as a puddle. I think that is what bugs those of us who feel a little frustrated the most (and i dont mean the OP, he's a troll). Making a good game means taking what PS1 already had and then bringing it up to date and into the modern era. But literally just doin what bf/cod do, and i dont mean just gunplay (which really isnt a huge problem by itself), is not what makes a AAA game.

I think we just see that other than faction names and a few basic ideas and graphics, the actual gameplay from PS1 is basically gone in most areas and replaced with what we can already get in BF,just on a bigger scale. I personally think you have a high bar to meet because of what ps1 set, not what the boring BF/CoD games have done, they are a step back, not somthin to look to when designing.

Again, yes, i know nothin is final and we still have beta, but many things get engrained so deeply that its hard to change them when it would mean changing so many other intertwined systems, thats what scares me the most. But having said that, i do hold out hope we get some of those things we loved about PS1 to actually get in game at some point.

[Winfernal]

Originally Posted by Skitrel

Keep up, killcam isn't going to be how it was shown in the GDC video. It'll be on a black background, no location intel will be discernible from it.

Nice!!

From the GDC videos i saw... the gunplay looked pretty good. I'm not interested in competative gunplay either though, i'm interested in LARGE SCALE BATTLES.

[ArmedZealot]

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

Personally i dont call BF/CoD AAA titles. Put all the flash and what not you want, but its gameplay that makes me think high quality and those games are as deep as a puddle. I think that is what bugs those of us who feel a little frustrated the most (and i dont mean the OP, he's a troll). Making a good game means taking what PS1 already had and then bringing it up to date and into the modern era. But literally just doin what bf/cod do, and i dont mean just gunplay (which really isnt a huge problem by itself), is not what makes a AAA game.

I suppose you would think Dwarf Fortress would be an AAA+ game then.

Games like BF3/COD are AAA because of the extensive budget and extensive audience. Those games are professional and saying different just shows how disconnected you are from reality. Those games are modern games.

Higby has stated that those are PS2's bar that they have to top. They won't bring it down just to give vets their nostalgiagasm. Just play PS1 if thats what you want.

[Skittles]

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

Personally i dont call BF/CoD AAA titles. Put all the flash and what not you want, but its gameplay that makes me think high quality and those games are as deep as a puddle. I think that is what bugs those of us who feel a little frustrated the most (and i dont mean the OP, he's a troll). Making a good game means taking what PS1 already had and then bringing it up to date and into the modern era. But literally just doin what bf/cod do, and i dont mean just gunplay (which really isnt a huge problem by itself), is not what makes a AAA game.

I think we just see that other than faction names and a few basic ideas and graphics, the actual gameplay from PS1 is basically gone in most areas and replaced with what we can already get in BF,just on a bigger scale. I personally think you have a high bar to meet because of what ps1 set, not what the boring BF/CoD games have done, they are a step back, not somthin to look to when designing.

Again, yes, i know nothin is final and we still have beta, but many things get engrained so deeply that its hard to change them when it would mean changing so many other intertwined systems, thats what scares me the most. But having said that, i do hold out hope we get some of those things we loved about PS1 to actually get in game at some point.

QFT

I think this is the sentiment that VanuMax was going for more then 'devs being lazy' and what others are attempting to express. Atm, all Im seeing is BF/COD with a PS skin on it.

Mentioned it before but PS could lead the way towards a completely different theme that would make the other 2 follow them. Either way, doesnt matter, because most of our concerns are being drowned out by all the stroking going on around here.

But you should be aware of the fact that its HIGHLY probable that less then 6 months down the line after PS2 is playing damn near exactly like BF/COD you'll be bored of the game and you will have missed your opportunity to alter it BEFORE it was released.

When theres jack-all for vehicles to run around in. Ammo boxes are driving you nuts on gen holds. MCT are jihading in your spawn room with C4 strapped to their jocks, C4 is exploding all over the place EXACTLY like it does in BF. Aircav is completely dominating the 4 WHOLE ground vehicles you get to pick from. When ALL thats going on. Just think fondly of those of us saying "This could be so much more" and trolling your asses with alternative positions to your own in gameplay potential.