Trayvon Martin

[Malorn]

Meh.

[NivexQ]

Originally Posted by Malorn

Yes, I know how the conversation went down, but how do you know "he did it anyway"? how do you know he didn't stop after instructed?

Because he shot him. I think i'm missing something.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[NivexQ]

So he shot around the corner? Didn't he admit to following him...?

[Malorn]

Meh.

[WildGunsTomcat]

Originally Posted by NivexQ

So he shot around the corner? Didn't he admit to following him...?

Are you fucking serious right now? No really, are you?

Have you not read any news reports on this? Or are you just another jackass that parrots what he reads from other people on Facebook?

[ItsTheSheppy]

I think the charges fit, based on what little we know. Zimmerman called 911. Operator told him not to follow. He followed anyway. Something happened. Martin ended up dead. A charge of 2nd degree murder seems perfect to me. The facts, or at least the two sides of the story, will all come out in court, and 12 idiots will get to decide.

I'm happy its out of the court of public opinion.

Not that I'm always happy with the courts. Casey Anthony, anyone?

[ArcIyte]

2nd degree murder? Might as well let him go now

[Malorn]

Meh.

[ItsTheSheppy]

I have to say, Malorn, that it sounds less like you want to get to the truth, and more like you want the prosecution to fail. Unless you know the truth, which you can't because none of us do, I have to wonder as to your motivation. This isn't meant to be a 'gotcha' question, by the way. I am honestly curious, because isn't this why we have courts and trials and such? To get to the truth?

A human being lost his life. Don't you think that's worth there being an inquiry? If the District Attorney went for 2nd degree (and not, say, manslaughter) it must mean they feel they have reason to believe the charges are valid (though I will say I'm a bit surprised at the ambition of the full 2nd degree). It's very likely they have access to information we in the peanut gallery lack. And in any case, wouldn't this be a golden opportunity for Zimmerman to clear his name, in the court of law, which has binding resolutions, rather than the court of public opinion, which does not?

[NivexQ]

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

Are you fucking serious right now? No really, are you?

Have you not read any news reports on this? Or are you just another jackass that parrots what he reads from other people on Facebook?

No, i'm not following this. It happened in fucking Florida. This is just like the Casey Anthony bullshit. Hardly anyone even remembers her name anymore. It's a sensationalist story that will be forgotten by the rest of the world a month or two after the final verdict. Yeah it's a terrible thing that shouldn't have happened, but speculating about it won't do anything, so I don't.

The "shot around the the corner" comment was sarcasm. If he didn't follow him, how exactly did he shoot him?

[Malorn]

Meh.

[ItsTheSheppy]

I don't think he's guilty. I don't think he's innocent. I'm not sure I ever suggested he was one or the other, and if I gave that impression, it was in error.

I've just wanted him arrested and the event investigated. He was, they were, he's been charged. We'll see what happens. I'm just happy the wheels of justice are turning, for one or the other.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by NivexQ

The "shot around the the corner" comment was sarcasm. If he didn't follow him, how exactly did he shoot him?

He followed him. He said on the call he was following him and he told police he was following him. It isn't in doubt that he followed Martin. He killed Martin far from his vehicle, away from the road, in the backyard of whoever and also admitted to it both in a recorded call and to police.

It is not in question whether he pursued Martin or not. Nor is it uncertain that Martin ran away from him, as Zimmerman says he did, the 911 call indicates he did, and Martin's girlfriend said he did.

Martin ran. Zimmerman chased after him. The only question is what happened next.

[NivexQ]

Originally Posted by Warborn

He followed him. He said on the call he was following him and he told police he was following him. It isn't in doubt that he followed Martin. He killed Martin far from his vehicle, away from the road, in the backyard of whoever and also admitted to it both in a recorded call and to police.

It is not in question whether he pursued Martin or not. Nor is it uncertain that Martin ran away from him, as Zimmerman says he did, the 911 call indicates he did, and Martin's girlfriend said he did.

Martin ran. Zimmerman chased after him. The only question is what happened next.

You and I understand that. Malorn seems to be arguing the opposite, and I can't figure out why.