Ground vehicle driving

[captainkapautz]

Originally Posted by Figment

Alright Kaffis, please show us how to drive a Lightning in PS1 without third person. Make a nifty little video showing what it's like and then get back to us.

Will you shut up about "OMG groundvehicles are ruined without 3PV", if I go through all that hassle?

I have the sneaking suspicion you still won't.

[Mechzz]

Originally Posted by WildVS

I have this vision of a typical PS2 base fight with vehicles bumping into everything, when they get hung up they get C4'd in 2 seconds, cloakers all over the place sniping while the tower trampoline act goes on in the background. Die, spawn, die, spawn, pull ammo out your ass, pocket healing spawn on squad everywhere (people appearing out of thin air). Air trying to make a difference but getting repelled by the AA equiped maxes, troops, lightnings, MBT's and wall turrets. Capture point hacking back and forth. Rinse lather repeat the above. Epic!

Originally Posted by WildVS

Sorry yeah you are right. I left out the quick-knifing.

If there was a prize for post of the day, this would get my vote.Hilarious!

Amidst all the bad-tempered whining going on in various threads this little gem stands out amongst the shit. Well said, sir!

[Figment]

Originally Posted by captainkapautz

Will you shut up about "OMG groundvehicles are ruined without 3PV", if I go through all that hassle?

I have the sneaking suspicion you still won't.

Will you shut up about how it won't without showing it's not incredibly hampered without on a turreted single crew vehicle for which the evidence is easy to get?


No, no I didn't think you would try to collect evidence...

[captainkapautz]

Originally Posted by Figment

Will you shut up about how it won't without showing it's not incredibly hampered without on a turreted single crew vehicle for which the evidence is easy to get?


No, no I didn't think you would try to collect evidence...

Ya know, it was an honest question, but the fact that you have reacted with nothing but hostility towards anyone suggesting that the absence of 3PV might not be the end of the world makes any kind of discussion with you pointless.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by captainkapautz

Ya know, it was an honest question, but the fact that you have reacted with nothing but hostility towards anyone suggesting that the absence of 3PV might not be the end of the world makes any kind of discussion with you pointless.

An honest question? Try hostile question.

"Will you shut up" isn't exactly a very inviting way to start a question, is it?

As to the answer, why? I already know what it's like driving like that. I hate it for all the reasons mentioned before, including car sickness.

[captainkapautz]

Originally Posted by Figment

An honest question? Try hostile question.

"Will you shut up" isn't exactly a very inviting way to start a question, is it?

Never said it was a polite question now, did I?

Originally Posted by Figment

As to the answer, why? I already know what it's like driving like that. I hate it for all the reasons mentioned before, including car sickness.

No, you don't know what it's like, unless you just broke your NDA and you're actually in the alpha, because unless you are you DON'T know what it's like.

This isn't PS1, BF or World of Tanks, so stop making assumption just because you think "Well it might be crap in this game, so it has to be crap in every game."

[Kurtz]

3pv for vehicles and aircraft.

[Sledgecrushr]

Originally Posted by Kurtz

3pv for vehicles and aircraft.

Nix nein fraulein

[Figment]

Originally Posted by captainkapautz

Never said it was a polite question now, did I?

No yet you assumed I would not reply in kind, interesting that, assumptions.

No, you don't know what it's like, unless you just broke your NDA and you're actually in the alpha, because unless you are you DON'T know what it's like.

[SARCASM] No, I would NEVER know what it's like to drive in 1st person because there's no other game out there that does that. How could you possibly compare anything with anything ever! How could I possibly figure out what driving ahead and firing backwards is like!? It's not like WE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT IN A LIGHTNING IN PS1! [/SARCASM]

Then how can you possibly be against third person? YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

This isn't PS1, BF or World of Tanks, so stop making assumption just because you think "Well it might be crap in this game, so it has to be crap in every game."

YOU are the one assuming it's different, too. Is terrain 100% flat? Do you get dampening of the terrain? No? NO, you don't. You've not been paying attention to the videos, have you? IT'S BEEN SHOWN WHAT IT IS LIKE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.


Either you're ignorant, or you are a troll. Either way, you're not argueing very well. Do I get irritated by such show of deliberate, chosen ignorance? Damn right I do.

[captainkapautz]

Originally Posted by Figment

No yet you assumed I would not reply in kind, interesting that, assumptions.



[SARCASM] No, I would NEVER know what it's like to drive in 1st person because there's no other game out there that does that. How could you possibly compare anything with anything ever! How could I possibly figure out what driving ahead and firing backwards is like!? It's not like WE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT IN A LIGHTNING IN PS1! [/SARCASM]

Then how can you possibly be against third person? YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT.



YOU are the one assuming it's different, too. Is terrain 100% flat? Do you get dampening of the terrain? No? NO, you don't. You've not been paying attention to the videos, have you? IT'S BEEN SHOWN WHAT IT IS LIKE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.


Either you're ignorant, or you are a troll. Either way, you're not argueing very well. Do I get irritated by such show of deliberate, chosen ignorance? Damn right I do.

Well thanks for proving my point about you anyway.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by captainkapautz

Well thanks for proving my point about you anyway.

Yeah, that I'm highly irritable is quite obvious, but doesn't make me wrong.

PS: How about proving you're a lot more arrogant than I am since you have no way to back up any claims of the contrary, while I've got a ton of similar tank combat games AND alpha footage we all have access to? Funny how it works where you get to say "you can't know that", yet somehow you would be able to take a contrary position to mine. If I can't know anything, neither can you.


EDIT: Hell, I can even provide you plenty of articles on motion sickness due to camera movement. Here's a few.

http://xbox.about.com/od/buyersguide/a/vgmosick.htm

http://kotaku.com/5869607/how-motion...ed-to-fight-it

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...how-to/4219424

http://gamegenus.blogspot.com/2011/1...s-in-your.html

Particularly FIRST PERSON VIEW is noted as the culprit for motion sickness, particularly when there's "head bobbing" type movements (like if in a tank, you go through a gutter and the camera shakes as your vehicle goes over small features in the landscape like ridges and rocks and then that is damped out through a vibration). That sort of thing.

Third person prevents this and aleviates the effects.

Just do a cursory search in Google and you'll find just how many people are affected by this, even in RPGs, but primarily while playing FPS games.

[captainkapautz]

Gotta be honest, I don't know a single person who ever complained about motion sickness in a game.

Have had it happen with movies, just never games.

But see, this right there THAT is a proper arguement, not that crap about "I can't drive worth shit w/o 3PV!".

And:

Originally Posted by Figment

PS: How about proving you're a lot more arrogant than I am since you have no way to back up any claims of the contrary, while I've got a ton of similar tank combat games AND alpha footage we all have access to?

Thing is, I don't need to, because what you got is A.) other games, which I already said don't matter shit, because this isn't about other games and B.) the GDC and TBs footage which all looks shockingly enough like they had no problem whatsoever with driving in 1PV.
Funny thing how one of your arguements works out in my favor.

[Mastachief]

I felt ill on the bridge bit of HL2..........


Personally i'm against all third person. If it's gone to prevent corner campers then it should go from vehicles too. It would in my opinion make driving and flying a more skilled pursuit.

I drive 1st person in racing sims and dont get motion sickness, but i also enjoy race circuits in real cars with no ill effect, but put me on a coach and i'll hurl.

[Blackwolf]

Originally Posted by Mechzz

Sorry, just me being lazy and not bothering to quote the time in the first post. Watched the vid like 5 times already and couldn't be arsed looking for it

It's only a few secs and easy to miss, since it's so natural.

I'm for 3rd person on vehcs until someone points out how it can be abused.

See the part where TB runs up behind that Magrider and plants C4?

Yeah kiss that trick good bye if you get 3PV in ground vehicles.

The situational awareness that you want shouldn't exist. Most RL tanks don't have that level of awareness, especially the drivers. They have this thing called a crew who watches their blind spots and calls out dangers. You know, teamwork?

[captainkapautz]

I will admit that if the 1PV while driving really turns out to be more of a crutch then worth it, then I'll be the 1st to admit that I was wrong.

I will however only do that after we get a hands on, I don't care if there are hundreds of alpha videos around, a direct hands on is always better.


P.S.: I will also say here for the record that I personally never had prolems with 1PV in the BF-games (each one I played atleast) nor did I have problems in PS1 driving a Lightning.
I can, and will if asked, post a video of me driving a Lightning only using 1PV, but I still don't see a point in it.
What's it gonna prove if I can?
What about when I inevitably get owned, because I never was dedicated driver?