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View Poll Results: Lean mechanics.
Aim & Shoot while leaning. 73 38.83%
Just look. 24 12.77%
Absalutely no leaning. 66 35.11%
Cover Mechanic. 19 10.11%
No Cover Mechanic. 81 43.09%
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:28 PM   [Ignore Me] #1
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Leaning in Planetside.


After Basti's decidedly hasty closure of the previous thread (the discussion was mostly about lean, something that hasn't been spoken of much in the game) I decided to make my own post and poll.

I'm less leery about lean then prone. If they added lean though, the game play would turn more Mass Effect, which could be potentially awesome, and at the same time a complete disaster.

I'll agree that lean has merits and encourages the use of cover > run and gun and could improve the game.

But I suspect that implementing a cover system at this stage of the game would be difficult. Also considering you can use cover without a lean feature, and use quicker movement to avoid full exposure for long periods of time to "glance" around corners, an entire system for this just isn't needed.

As it stands, the game is too complicated. Wouldn't mind seeing it in beta if this was an easy system to put in, but it just isn't worth the work without solid data, hence this poll. Something like this would be better off being tried and tested in the alpha stages tbh.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing lean in this game. Mass Effect had lean and was built around a very good cover mechanic, and it did not have prone. Judging by my enjoyment of that game I'd say lean would be cool, but again not absolutely vital.

Aim & Shoot: Allow players the ability to lean, aim, and shoot while minimizing (by 50% or so) the amount of visible body.

Just Look: A quick peek, either forced timer (2 seconds) or as long as the button is held.

Absalutely no leaning: Self explanatory.

Cover Mechanic: A system that can be as simple as crouch near an object would automatically put you into a position for leaning. You keep your head below cover and hope no one has a good angle on you. While "in cover" A and D would lean left or right, if crouched behind a low wall or whatever, W would raise your head and shoulders above. Un-crouch to exit cover.

No Cover Mechanic: Free movement without locking into a set position. Would require additional buttons for leaning left or right, and higher sources of cover so people could stand to shoot. This might affect game play too much to effectively add an actual lean feature.

Multiple choice for a better idea what people are talking about, because no one ever mentions what they have in mind.

No repeating arguments please. If you say camping, explain what you mean and/or give an example because that is just a very very weak argument.

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Old 2012-06-19, 07:30 PM   [Ignore Me] #2
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Re: Leaning in Planetside.


I'm for lean, but only if prone is added as well.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:33 PM   [Ignore Me] #3
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Re: Leaning in Planetside.


While we're at it let's add a sliding system, and a multi jump system, and a ceiling climbing system too.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:39 PM   [Ignore Me] #4
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No leaning because it would make the character models look silly since it hasn't been built in from the start, plus it is not necessary.

Though if it is put in will I cry about it? No.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:40 PM   [Ignore Me] #5
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Re: Leaning in Planetside.


yes to leaning
yes to firing while leaning
no to cover mechanics, they are rarely done well and feel restrictive
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #6
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Re: Leaning in Planetside.


Originally Posted by Bags View Post
While we're at it let's add a sliding system, and a multi jump system, and a ceiling climbing system too.
Yanno Bags, I can understand why you are so negative about it. I really can. But if you don't have a useful point to make beyond the "camper" argument, please just vote and don't post.

Not looking for a huge hate fest.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #7
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Originally Posted by Bags View Post
While we're at it let's add a sliding system, and a multi jump system, and a ceiling climbing system too.
Oh you

I dont really know how well a cover or lean system would really do. Id prefer to be if able to be shot at i can return fire just as effectively back. Though like a quick peak only kind of lean i wouldnt be apposed to.

I didnt really care for the ability to look around corners in third person in PS, or really any game. It did give that slight edge to one person over another. Also lead to some interting stalemates with people crouching in stairways
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #8
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Eh, as far as leaning I could take it or leave it. I've played games with it and rarely find myself using it, and I might in PS2 if it's implemented, and if others want to that's fine. As for cover mechanics, a huge hell to the no. God I loathe cover systems with a passion. Let me decide where I'll stand on the wall, thanks.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #9
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Originally Posted by Blackwolf View Post
Yanno Bags, I can understand why you are so negative about it. I really can. But if you don't have a useful point to make beyond the "camper" argument, please just vote and don't post.

Not looking for a huge hate fest.
You're asking for it really, how long will this thread last i wonder.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #10
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Originally Posted by Phellix View Post
You're asking for it really, how long will this thread last i wonder.
Dunno. I just thought it was unfair of Basti to not give the lean discussion a chance. Not many mentions of prone and some of the arguments actually made me regret my snap "no to tactics" choice.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:49 PM   [Ignore Me] #11
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I would prefer to have prone instead of leaning and anyway the funny thing is people complain about prone will make some people camp more lol but lean could do the same as well people will camp corner lean and shot

but anyway

if they have to invest any time in caracter mechanics i want prone over lean !
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:50 PM   [Ignore Me] #12
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I am highly in favor of the No Cover option for where you stand. Thanks, but I hated the mechanics for it in RE:ORC. Just horrible...
As for being able to lean and fire around a corner.... I think that it is just a bad idea. But, that's just my opinion. I can't really give a concrete solid reason behind it, other than it just feels wrong to me for PS2.
Being able to lean around a corner to look, I kinda like. So that way it would just be an observation tool, and could potentially get your head blown off. It would also let you peek, while exposing less of yourself to counter-fire. But I am still against aiming & firing while leaning.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:51 PM   [Ignore Me] #13
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Meh, the arguments against prone were weak enough... Now we have this baseless hatred of leaning.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:53 PM   [Ignore Me] #14
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I want to be able to go prone as light assault and then fire up my jump boosters!
(helmet visor down, of course)
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:54 PM   [Ignore Me] #15
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Re: Leaning in Planetside.


Originally Posted by Stew View Post
I would prefer to have prone instead of leaning and anyway the funny thing is people complain about prone will make some people camp more lol but lean could do the same as well people will camp corner lean and shot

but anyway

if they have to invest any time in caracter mechanics i want prone over lean !
See I'm against prone because it requires nothing. Lean requires some type of cover, and limits who can use it. Two people at a corner, one would have to step around the leaner and crouch and shoot, making themselves a better target.

Prone is also far more restrictive movement wise, and I suspect it would cause more problems then benefits. It also just wouldn't be used as much by players in a PS environment.

Cover would cause problems, no argument here. Like I said it might be disastrous for the game. All I know is that in Mass Effect, the entire system was awesome and felt very real to me. Gave me a sense that I should preserve myself and use my surroundings as much as possible.
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