No 3rd person POV to enjoy your custom skins

[Ruwyn]

I agree that expanding the 3rd person view to ground vehicles warrants at least a look during beta. During PS day I was driving an AMS and was bumped by a vanguard while exiting off a bridge and became stuck. With 3rd person view I knew which direction to steer and gun the throttle get the AMS off the hang up.
Also, I haven't looked to close to PS2 vids, but can you see the front corners of the vehicles while in first person view? You know, for those planets where there are trees and rocks everywhere and you have to literally squeeze between them while off-roading. If not, how do you know how wide your vehicle is?

Pertaining to 3rd person infantry view. I only ever used it to verify I was cloaked and to reacclimate myself with how visible I was at crouch/walk/run. How will we be able to do this now? I mean we are supposed to be able to dl and jump right in right? Not find a friend with the same certs and test mechanics right?

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by Shogun

easy solution:

switch 3rd person view back on for everything!

but ONLY inside of the uncapturable foothold warpgates where cornercamping is useless. and make the camera position dynamic, so we can adjust the angle of view all around our soldier. it´s just for looking at the char, so it doesn´t need to be useful for anything else.

this way everybody can make nice screenshots of his custo armor and pose for signatures on his own without having to ask someone else to make and send screenshots.

Yup. That sounds good. The thing about TF2 also makes sense, but why not this?

[Rumblepit]

they have a feature in game for this very thing>>>>. you press U and it brings up a ui and you can see all your cool skins there.

you will never see a feature like this in game, anyone who is camping is just gonna have to stick his head out and see if anyone is coming. and chances are if ya do that it mite just get shot off. this is how you balance camping. make it useless .

[Sifer2]

Most people that buy cosmetic crap buy it to show off to others. Not to sit there admiring their character model in third person. The game will play better without third person being available. It shouldn't even be on vehicles really.

Anyway yeah since you can see yourself in the loadout, and presumably see how a cosmetic item will look on you in the shop itself before you buy this is a none issue.

[tostiganator]

Not sure if this was mentioned already in this thread, but there is a feature where you can get a view of yourself and change camera angle etc and see your character. I can try to find it again. I dont think you can move around while doing this though.

EDIT: there's the video, skip to 0:47:50 to see it

[Papscal]

Originally Posted by ratfusion

First: I'm not trying to reignite the 3rd person camera debate.

Then dont.

[CutterJohn]

Simplest solution: 3rd person is on for all. Doesn't render enemies. Aaaaaand, done. Now everyone can do machinama and whatnot, drivers can drive, people can see their armor, and nobody can complain about it because it doesn't do anything else for you.

[Dougnifico]

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Simplest solution: 3rd person is on for all. Doesn't render enemies. Aaaaaand, done. Now everyone can do machinama and whatnot, drivers can drive, people can see their armor, and nobody can complain about it because it doesn't do anything else for you.

You can render enemies. Just make it so you can't aim and have no ret at all.

Edit: Wait... Staircases... Statement redacted.

[Dagron]

I don't see why there are still so many people against this, there have been a bunch of reasonable solutions in this thread such as: only enabling it in non-combat areas, not rendering the enemies while in 3rd person mode or not rendering people you don't have line of sight to from your character's perspective. Those would allow it to work without the corner peeking problem, which so far has been the only solid reason against it.

Personally i like the "only enabling it in non-combat areas" solution because people wouldn't get distracted when out in the battlefield and it's likely the easiest and quickest one to implement.

[Klockan]

Originally Posted by ratfusion

Right now they're only allowing 3rd for aircraft. At a minimum ground vehicles should get it as well, who actually drives as well in 1st person in PS1? I don't think hitting more rocks and trees will improve gameplay.

People have no problems moving around with tanks in BF series and there you got to go first person since you can't hit anything otherwise. Making it take more skill to drive vehicle is more of a good thing than a bad thing imo.

Originally Posted by ratfusion

I also don't think 3rd person infantry would be a big deal in PS2. The speed of gameplay and the lack of stairwells will negate most of what we disliked about it in PS1. Running around in 3rd person with no crosshair and no camera change for elevation will make it terribly difficult to aim (a la PS1).

There are stairwells and corridors in PS2, not just where the E3 demo was.

Originally Posted by ratfusion

What if we put a 2 second timer on switching camera modes? Then your stuck in 3rd person unable to aim well if you're corner camping.

You can still tell friends, no solution which allows you to see more really works. Also it could be used to look over walls and such to see if a tank has moved away or so. The easiest solution would just to add mirrors in some bases.

[TheApoc]

I like the no render idea, that way outifts can do more bsing while not killing..

[Stew]

Ask one of your friend to record you with fraps and then upload a video of you with your skin while mooving and shooting so youll be able to look at it all night long if you want

[Dagron]

People will already do that without a friend anyway, all they need is another account. I think the less useless accounts logged in the better, they might wanna discourage that.

[Envenom]

3rd person view has no place in a competitive FPS.

[TheApoc]

I agree that 3rd has no place being used in fps combat at all, other than flying/driving.. However it has its place in the mmo community. So there should be some places or options to see your avatars gear , while doing the cabbage patch with 20 other fools :-)

I don't know what those options should be and its not something I'm going to lose sleep over, just stating my opinion.