Are DICE Getting worried about planetside 2..

[Sephirex]

Originally Posted by DiabloTigerSix

LoL! BF3 engine has no procedural destruction. It's all just large scripted disappearing chunks of walls that spawn debris when they disappear.

It's true. I was very pissed when I started BF3 and realized all the damage was just pre-set triggers that would fire off.

True procedural destruction is more like Red Faction.

[shadar]

Originally Posted by Kevin D Lee

BF3 is and will still be the better game for E-Sports / Tournaments due to the ability to limit team sizes. They have nothing to fear from PS2 in that regard. As for casual players... yeah they may come over. Remember PS2 won't have the destruction the BF3 engine offers.

BF3 as an esport you are trying to troll us right? Of the top of my head im having troble thing of any game baced on the "modern" bullet ADS combat beside CS is competive let alone espors. Hell even Tribes ascend is having problems when it come to esports due to the difficult of checking if someone is hacking BF3 would be much worse than that. BF3 has nothing to fear from planetside 2 when it comes to esports because BF3 isnt an esport. The casual players might comeover maybe but i think the hardcore clan players will be more atracted as they were rather vocal about BF3 screw ups and the larger scall better tools and locisical ascpect will atract them more so than the casuals.

Originally Posted by Firearms

it went down hill from there with smaller scale and longer and longer TTK until we end at BF3.

you do realize planetside 2 will most likly have noticable longer TTK than any of the BF games (though hopefully not as long as the first planetside). also wouldnt the consolfication encorage shorter TTK not longer (havent played in a while so idk) scale you dont have to worry about planetside 2 got it but if your looking for short TTK CoD is that way. Long TTK is required given the scale as you could have (though this is highly unlikly to happen between baces) you and 200 others on your faction run into 300 on one of the enemy faction. Low TTK would mean you die in 3ish shots which when you got hundreds of poeple firing at you would not work out to well.

Originally Posted by Firearms

It's refreshing to see a thread on here where PS1 preceding 1942 gets forgotten...apples and oranges.

To put some figures to BF3 though -

PC sales - World - 2.02million
Xbox sales - World - 6.06million
PlayS2 sales - World - 5.52million

So are they worries about a PC only game? Really no.

/thread

KEYWORD RETAIL which unless they changed the deffinition since last time a looked mean bought in store. Most PC user dont buy disk anymore we prefer to get our games on steam, gamersgate, origan, ect. So the firgure offerd there are inacuate

Originally Posted by Firearms

In that case we need to worry less about DICE worrying and more about PS2 being "Tweaked" to work on consoles
Although I don't know the spec of the ps3...it's prolly better than my PC. Negative mouse and assisted aim are all fun though...

Im pretty sure that unless your pc is a 2010, 200 dollor laptop that a ps3 is better than it. Admitaly probly exagerated a little but still. I think i read an artical saying specfical that PS2 would not be out on the ps3 due to none of the current gen consoles being able to handle it. It may however be a launch title for the ps4 but hopfully its far enough down the line for it not to affect us

[QUOTE=Kevin D Lee;781895]If Forgelight could do what Frostbite could I'm sure we would have been seeing a lot of news about the destructible QUOTE]

Am i imaging things or was there an artical or interview saying that wanted to make it so you had to repair baces after an attack which suggest destrutibly and in the future allow outfits to capture bases or build there own pretty sure that means that forgelight is capable of destrucible stuff

[Pella]

Digital sales are what's pushing the PC games market. Thats why so much has been invested in Origin.

Thoose stats though include Zynga, who make FarmVille and all that facebook rubbish. But they account for 5% of the total pc gaming market in 2010 which was still a massive $600mill.

In 2012 the PC market is worth an estimated $20 Billion. Now to get any % of the market is top priority of any games company.

[shadar]

Originally Posted by TAA

I think they should not listen to anyone other than their collected data. Especially nobody who posts on these forums (the 1-2% of players this will eventually account for at best). They need to trust their data and their market research papers, they need to put a survey into the launcher and get the opinions of the other 98-99% of players. Not anyone here.

While we may be somwhat on the small end of the potental playerbase and they should get the opion of other poeple no deniing that we are the best informed. You want to get poeple who atleast know and have played a game where to driver isnt the main gunner (which i personal hate) because they know the pros and cons of the system. Do you really want to ask random poeple what the effect range of "hip fire" (really shoulder fire is you have any resoning cabiltys or LOOK AT THE GUN) vs ADS should be. Would a random person know what ADS even stands for or would they emedanty be bias based on the misleading term of hip fire. Not saying we know best or that we even agree with eachother often but we care enough to look at the isue instead of just marking a box on a survey

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DiabloTigerSix

LoL! BF3 engine has no procedural destruction. It's all just large scripted disappearing chunks of walls that spawn debris when they disappear. You could do that with Quake 3 Arena engine if you wanted. In fact it was done in 2 Medal of Honor: Allied Assault sp missions back in 2001.

What the BF3's scriptstruction does is taking away man hours from modellers. The result is a severe lack of objects&variety and shoebox-sized urban maps becuase they have to fiddle with each model for extented periods of time.



The only reason BF3 doesn't have more than 64 players is because they designed the maps for consoles and only 24 players. Even BF2 had 64 players, but it could be modded to run smoothly with up to 256.

The battlefield (( scriptruction )) like you seams to be please to call it just to ignore the purpose of it and probably because you dont like the game for X reason ... Dont make any sens any way to me

BF destruction is not based on technical amasingness or competition

Destruction in BF games is great and well done it offer many tactical aplication

someones camp on x or y places you can blow up hes cover you can use it i many many differents ways and it offer more tactical destruction than any games ive seen


BF3 is all about tactical destruction and it work well this way you can chip corner of a structure or compleatly make a building colapse but alway with a tactical purpose in mind most of the time !

Haters on BF are ridiculous the major failure on BF is the lack of VOIP and leadership structure ! Most thing as been fix in term of gameplay guns balanced etc.. i said most not all but its like thats for everygames but Bf3 is far to be a broken game ...

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by Stew

The battlefield (( scriptruction )) like you seams to be please to call it just to ignore the purpose of it and probably because you dont like the game for X reason ... Dont make any sens any way to me

BF destruction is not based on technical amasingness or competition

Destruction in BF games is great and well done it offer many tactical aplication

someones camp on x or y places you can blow up hes cover you can use it i many many differents ways and it offer more tactical destruction than any games ive seen


BF3 is all about tactical destruction and it work well this way you can chip corner of a structure or compleatly make a building colapse but alway with a tactical purpose in mind most of the time !

Haters on BF are ridiculous the major failure on BF is the lack of VOIP and leadership structure ! Most thing as been fix in term of gameplay guns balanced etc.. i said most not all but its like thats for everygames but Bf3 is far to be a broken game ...

All the structures in BF were obviously made by the first two little piggies, huff and puff and they all come down. Not very realistic at all, as I would say LAME!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Canaris

All the structures in BF were obviously made by the first two little piggies, huff and puff and they all come down. Not very realistic at all, as I would say LAME!

LOL find me a single Multiplayer game with the destruction level of BFBC and BF3 game lol you will call on Redfaction lol because it will be the only ones but red factions suport How many players ? you have to remember that In frostbite and Bf games each piece of chunk and walls taken out by a explosion is a part of a data thats need to be send to all players in real time so the map will look the same for everyones after all building colapse or wall are taken out

I have never seen anyones making this playable for a online game DICE did it and it work pretty well

All the little BF hater in here make me laugh so much ignoring everything thats make BFBC and BF3 a unique game with unique gameplay and tactical destruction elements !

Red faction yeah its mostly a building colapse festival it suport like 8 players online and the gameplay is BAD !

If it was so easy to make destructible environement and making it playable why their is Not much games like this ? Just because they simply cant achive it

[GhettoPrince]

Does anyone else just laugh when they hear the word esports? I get that some people play a lot of video games and get really good at them, but it just doesn't compare in any way to someone who works through years long, painful training regimens to compete against other athletes.

If you're sitting down in an air conditioned room it isn't a sport, it's a game. Some people get really good at chess too, but we don't say it's a sport, and they sure as hell aren't athletes.


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[MacXXcaM]

Originally Posted by GhettoPrince

If you're sitting down in an air conditioned room it isn't a sport, it's a game. Some people get really good at chess too, but we don't say it's a sport

Actually German Olympic Sports Federation does.

[Exmortius]

bf3 destruction is a joke compared to bc2. and client side hit detection is also a joke. it's the 2 reasons why bf3 sucks.

[LegioX]

Cilent side hit detection is probably the worst thing about BF 3.

1. You can run behind cover and die 2-3 sec later

2. You can dive behind cover (rock) only to get headshotted from the front 2-3 seconds later. Fning sucks!

[Wakken]

Originally Posted by Firearms

It's refreshing to see a thread on here where PS1 preceding 1942 gets forgotten...apples and oranges.

To put some figures to BF3 though -

PC sales - World - 2.02million
Xbox sales - World - 6.06million
PlayS2 sales - World - 5.52million

So are they worries about a PC only game? Really no.

/thread

But that is only retail sales, not counting digitals :O

dum dum dum duuum..

[Madcut]

I think a lot of developers in studios would be excited to see innovation in the genre they are making games in. The only ones who would need to worry are the higher-ups in production companies, like EA; and I highly highly doubt anyone in EA is watching or cares about PS2.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

Originally Posted by Madcut

I think a lot of developers in studios would be excited to see innovation in the genre they are making games in. The only ones who would need to worry are the higher-ups in production companies, like EA; and I highly highly doubt anyone in EA is watching or cares about PS2.

Nailed it.

Either way, from the eyes of EA: PS2 success = good business model to build upon/ripoff, innovation, etc. PS2 failure = example of what NOT to do, less market share, etc.

So no matter what happens, PS2 success will be beneficial or, at the very least, a non-factor in the eyes of major console developers.

As much as I personally wish it weren't true, this game does not have the muscle to make any major publisher or developer worry, nor does it really have the same player base. When it does intersect player-wise, just as a really good TV show wont stop movies from making billions of dollars, a good mmo (especially free) is not going to stop people from buying the big titles that are "in".

All-in-all, I'm just really excited to play this game and I hope it's very high in quality, which it seems to be. I'm just not enough of a fanboy to falsely and inexplicably hope that this game crashes the rest of the industry for no reason.

[Karrade]

Unless someone were to announce another massively multiplayer online shooter being released tomorrow, I don't see how the smaller arena shooters compare. They have their niche, PS2 pretty much owns its niche, nobody else brave enough to take it on.

All good as far as I am concerned, variety is good, not negative.