Identical: TR & NC Pistols

[Sephirex]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

That looks more like a vanu weapon; overly complex and entirely non-lethal....

I don't know who painted it the wrong color.

It is missing that NC flair(by which I mean total lack of), but I think the sophistication of the tech is spot on.

[pengalor]

Originally Posted by Noivad

The TR carry a modified GLOCK Model 17 with high precision barrel. Same one I carry in Real life. Standard load is 17 rounds - 18 with one chambered as I carry it. Simpleist to clean then the VS or NC versions. The Glocks history go back to a time they were first developed on earth.

I have 30 round clips for it as well.

http://www.famous-guns.com/glock-17/

The 9mm ammo has 35% more muzzle energy then 38 special, 10% more then the 44 special and rivals the the energy of a hot 45 ACP round. It has more persision at longer range then the 40 S&W or the 45 ASP rounds.

They meet the TR performance requirements for an ideal cartridge that must have bullet expansion of .50" (1/2 inch) or more, and at least 12 inches of penetration in bare and clothed ballistic gelatin. Bullet penetration should not exceed 18 inches depth. 12 to 15 inches is considered the ideal range.

With Armor piercing ammo its cuts through the heaviest NC and VS Armor.

Personally I use a 147 grain round Serated hollow point - excellent against the nc and vs.
It goes in and just rips and tears the flesh of my enemy.

Note the 9mm is equilvent to the 45 cal the NC tote but I can carry almost twice the ammo by weight. The VS lazers are never dependable, especially when there is no sun on a rainy day to recharge them.

One little problem, your precious 9mm has a tendency to pierce right through the target. A slower hollow-point round has more of a tendency to open up and cause more internal injury. This is dependent on the mass and speed of the target but for most times where you would use a pistol a .45 is going to give you greater effect on target.

On topic: The two pistols really looks nothing alike. They have the same basic shape of a pistol, that's about it. I also love the idea of a revolver for NC that someone brought up, something powerful with a slow rate of fire (hell, if they copied the .44 magnum from BF3 I wouldn't complain).

[Mr DeCastellac]

Just another reason to be VS.

[Gonefshn]

Originally Posted by Mr DeCastellac

Just another reason to be VS.

VS

QFT

[Papscal]

Yep game breaker for me. 2 similar looking guns, shame SOE, shame.

[Noivad]

Originally Posted by pengalor

One little problem, your precious 9mm has a tendency to pierce right through the target. A slower hollow-point round has more of a tendency to open up and cause more internal injury. This is dependent on the mass and speed of the target but for most times where you would use a pistol a .45 is going to give you greater effect on target.

On topic: The two pistols really looks nothing alike. They have the same basic shape of a pistol, that's about it. I also love the idea of a revolver for NC that someone brought up, something powerful with a slow rate of fire (hell, if they copied the .44 magnum from BF3 I wouldn't complain).

1. First I never went off topic. This is a Gun Post - please read title.

There is a difference between the two weapons - all 3 in fact. The TR are known for having to shoot more rounds to effect damage then do the NC or VS. It is reasonable to infer that to do this they need a lighter round to be able to carry it. The 9mm fits.

2. The NC weapons are known for more stopping power at close range. More like a Shot Pistol then a round firing weapon. It was called the Scatter Pistol holding 8 shotgun shells. PS2 should keep it the same with a barrel mod for it to shoot lead slugs.

3. Its not my precious 9mm round, most of the world military, and police departments carry them. I also stated I use the Hollow points. It would be interesting to see if SOE has more then the two different types of ammo. (Standard White) or Armor Piercing Gold) they had in the orginal game.

4. My prespective is purely from a military standpoint. In my time with the Military, and some in civilian life, I have fired well over 300 different weapons from .177 to 40 mm rounds. I carried the m1911 - taught pmi and operated firing ranges as a NCOIC on many different weapons.

5. However if you are into the 9mm vs 45 Cal debate then this article is one of the best references for it. That you need to decide for yourself. If you ever get shot at in real life maybe you may change your preferences too.

http://joebarrett.wordpress.com/2010...bout-it-first/

Lastly to the indivual who refered to me as a gun nut. Maybe a "Weapons Nut" might be more accurate. If it kills or maimes, I've probally handled one.

I would not mind seeing crossbows come in to ps2. Hatchet and knife throwing for close quarter fighting as well.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Noivad

1. First I never went off topic. This is a Gun Post - please read title.

There is a difference between the two weapons - all 3 in fact. The TR are known for having to shoot more rounds to effect damage then do the NC or VS. It is reasonable to infer that to do this they need a lighter round to be able to carry it. The 9mm fits.

2. The NC weapons are known for more stopping power at close range. More like a Shot Pistol then a round firing weapon. It was called the Scatter Pistol holding 8 shotgun shells. PS2 should keep it the same with a barrel mod for it to shoot lead slugs.

3. Its not my precious 9mm round, most of the world military, and police departments carry them. I also stated I use the Hollow points. It would be interesting to see if SOE has more then the two different types of ammo. (Standard White) or Armor Piercing Gold) they had in the orginal game.

4. My prespective is purely from a military standpoint. In my time with the Military, and some in civilian life, I have fired well over 300 different weapons from .177 to 40 mm rounds. I carried the m1911 - taught pmi and operated firing ranges as a NCOIC on many different weapons.

5. However if you are into the 9mm vs 45 Cal debate then this article is one of the best references for it. That you need to decide for yourself. If you ever get shot at in real life maybe you may change your preferences too.

http://joebarrett.wordpress.com/2010...bout-it-first/

Lastly to the indivual who refered to me as a gun nut. Maybe a "Weapons Nut" might be more accurate. If it kills or maimes, I've probally handled one.

I would not mind seeing crossbows come in to ps2. Hatchet and knife throwing for close quarter fighting as well.

All that's fine. What you're neglecting to take into account is the visual discrepancies between the empires. It's one of the very things the dev team were stressting was the different aesthetics for the empires. Saying "Well, one is a 9mm and one is a .45" is not the same thing as having two separate visually striking pistols. Anyone who is NOT a gun person (I've handled my share of guns, I understand) won't accept that as a viable reason. The weapons in planetside are NOT realistic. They're fantasized versions of guns and that's what makes them cool. So, while the guns aren't identical, they look very similar in form and that's something that, while not a deal breaker, makes one wonder why.

As far as calling you a "gun nut", it wasn't because you were making your point, it's because you thought it relevant to shoehorn your totally awesome real life pistol and it's super lethal ammo into the discussion. I just fail to see how it was relevant.

[Rat]

for some reason this ratstomper guy makes me a bit uneasy

[Sledgecrushr]

Originally Posted by pengalor

One little problem, your precious 9mm has a tendency to pierce right through the target. A slower hollow-point round has more of a tendency to open up and cause more internal injury. This is dependent on the mass and speed of the target but for most times where you would use a pistol a .45 is going to give you greater effect on target..

Big slow rounds like the .45 and hollowpoint rounds of almost every caliber are worthless against body armor.

[Papscal]

Originally Posted by Sledgecrushr

Big slow rounds like the .45 and hollowpoint rounds of almost every caliber are worthless against body armor.

Ya worthless if you hit the armor. Body armor in a test environment is much different than in battle.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Rat

for some reason this ratstomper guy makes me a bit uneasy

Keep your nose clean and we'll get along fine.

(between you and me, Me and the rats buried the hatchet years ago...)

[Accuser]

Really, the NC pistol SHOULD have been a revolver.
Revolvers always hit harder than a similar caliber semi-auto because the bullet's energy isn't being used to cycle the action. Plus, it's natural to have a lower ammo capacity in a revolver than a semi-auto.

So it would naturally have more power and fewer rounds than its TR counterpart... that's 100% NC. I hope they get around to changing it to (or at least giving the option of) a revolver at some point.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Well, most guns are different mostly in an aesthetic sense. I mean... All bolt actions have basically been the same since 1894 or something... Once automatic weapons had the kinks worked out of them by the mid 1940s, they are all pretty much variations of the same things, too. Since 1960, there pretty much has not been any "improvements" on firearm technology persay, it's just a matter of tradeoffs. Want more accuracy? Tighten it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AR. Want more durability/less susceptibility to dirt? Loosen it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AK.

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Also, they're not "almost the same". The TR pistol is quite clearly cooler and better designed.

[Bags]

NC pistol looks cool imo.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by vVRedOctoberVv

Well, most guns are different mostly in an aesthetic sense. I mean... All bolt actions have basically been the same since 1894 or something... Once automatic weapons had the kinks worked out of them by the mid 1940s, they are all pretty much variations of the same things, too. Since 1960, there pretty much has not been any "improvements" on firearm technology persay, it's just a matter of tradeoffs. Want more accuracy? Tighten it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AR. Want more durability/less susceptibility to dirt? Loosen it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AK.

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Also, they're not "almost the same". The TR pistol is quite clearly cooler and better designed.

That MAY be the case, but this takes place some 500 years in the future. It stands to reason the TR may be using combustible ammo cartridges. The NC use experimental systems and magnetic acceleration to power their guns. They could have made something FAR cooler and distinct than something that looks like a bigger, blockier TR pistol.