Gore Pack Idea

[Sturmhardt]

I would buy it but I dont think it'll happen. Would be funny though

[Deckura]

Originally Posted by Flaropri

Yes, because the people that went through the Dark Ages are still alive. Even the WW2 generation (especially the people involved in combat) is dying out.

A person's sensitivity to violence, a person's apathy towards it, is individual not genetic. Even if you talk to someone who's seen real violence, it isn't the same as seeing it for yourself. I mean, sure, if we were all the same people with all the same memories, sure, that would make sense but...



Video games and graphic news do desensitize people. Much like the presence of nude sunbathing can and does desensitize people to the naked bosom in those nations and cultures that embrace it. If you constantly hear about something or witness something you are less likely to be shocked by it.

I'm not saying people don't know the difference between games and reality. However, this thread is in and of itself a great example.

In this thread, people are asking to spend money to see blood and gore, and not to promote realism or increase immersion.

Think about that for a moment. Unless you're a psychopath, actual blood and gore is not attractive. People's intestines strewn about the ground is not pretty. At least not to me and most others. So why is it that people would want to see it in a game?

People are desensitized to it, even to the point asking for over-the-top gore and blood to get a "satisfying feeling." Because apparently shooting them until they fall over just isn't satisfying. It isn't special.



All that said, I am not against it... I would never waste perfectly good money on gratuitous gore, but I do believe that if people really want to fund it, that's there's choice... however sad it makes me that people would make that decision.

Video game violence does not desensitize people. I guarantee you that if you put a gamer who plays violent video games in a room with a dead body, they will feel incredibly uneasy, if not terrified. Your example about the nudist only translates to violence desensitization if the person is actually witnessing gore first-hand, and not through an entertainment medium. You take a guy who's never seen a woman naked in real life but is obsessed with porn, and put him in a room with a nude model, I can promise you it will still excite him.

Get a headshot with a sniper rifle in Gears of War and you'll understand what makes it satisfying. It just feels good to see the person you shot at get fucked up. Makes the kill more visceral. It provides those "OH SHIT" moments.

[Joe]

I love some gore

[SixShooter]

So this thread led me on an interesting journey through my past which ended up with me trying to find my favorite quote from Jello Biafra in regards to Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) and the PMRC where Jello said "If John Denver tells you that you've got your head up you ass, don't you probably have your head up your ass". Either way, the PMRC probably did more to help record sales than anything the record companies ever could have done.


So back on topic..

I grew up on Pong, Pac Man and Space Invaders (yes I'm an old basterd). When crazy shit like Doom and Quake started happening I was thrilled. Resident Evil and Silent Hill carried on the tradition of blood, gore and evil and I loved it.

I still dig that kind of shit in games but there are so many games that fuck it up and do it wrong and even more that just shouldn't have it.

Planetside is one of those games that totally doesn't need it and should not have it. I say this as a fan of gory movies, gory video games, fucked up gory literature and all things inbetween.

There is a time and place for that kind of stuff and PS2 is neither the time nor the place. If I want to play a game with that kind of element I will go play that other game. I will play PS2 to experience the Planetside universe gameplay and all things can exist on their own.

[Tactical Pony]

I gotta agree with deckura on this one, saying someone that plays video games is desensitized to real gore through his viewing of fake gore is not a proper parallel to the person who is desensitized to real boobs by viewing real boobs.

not to mention violence and sexuality are very different experiences.

I find comments like those made by duke... irksome... I am a big propogator of freedom, not someone who claims it just to be popular, I don't believe in "freedom to be like me."

Duke, you don't like gore in your games, that's fine. Me? I like to experience everything availiable to me, aka get my money's worth, but dont like gore enough to justify spending money on it alone.

So I agree with you in the sense that I wouldn't get gore in this game, but don't agree with imploring SOE to not put a pack out because I think it's cool to choose for others when it goes along with my vision of "the greater good"

If it were me, I would put out a purchasable gore pack, it is money and it wont effect the ESRB rating of the release game, but in the end that is going to be SOE's choice.

as far as it being more realistic... no, as a Marine (not an ex-marine, what the **** is that, son! you're lucky I dont condition 1 knife hand you in your daggone grape!) I can tell you that video game gore is unrealistic for the most part.

what happens in the real, is that when you shoot people, they fall down, and if you put a bullet through a liver/kidney/heart/artery you may see blood run out from under them. If you shoot them anywhere in the head you will see blood run out from underneath it at a much faster rate than the other shots, cept maybe a graze vs an artery shot in the thigh, this is due to the fact that there is less cavity space for the blood to drain into and thus more will come out of the hole. wounds to the head bleed alot, obvious to anyone that has ever bumped it. Wounds in the chest area will drain out of a hole eventually, but squirting is mostly contained within the chest/abdominal cavity, and would not cause blood to come out much faster than one would expect blood to come out of a tiny little bullet hole.

the scenarios one imagines where a person is sawed in half by bullets, or a mortar shell lands right on their head and they explode into chunks in all directions, or a pressurized fountain comes out of the hole, are the exception, not the rule, I never saw that. That stuff is movie/VG.

[Mox]

I dont think gore is the most important feature for ps2. But it is a bettter idea than adding more silly camo options. I think exactly this kind of stuff can be sold in a f2p game for good money without going p2w. Taking care of child protection laws is an other issue but can be done.

[Ruffdog]

Vote no.
Besides there's no blood in this universe. Players are made of Nanites didn't you hear?

[Novice bot]

Originally Posted by Ruffdog

Vote no.
Besides there's no blood in this universe. Players are made of Nanites didn't you hear?

Imagine Nanites spewing all over when you shoot someones head off.

That's real gore, right there.

[maddoggg]

Hell yes to this idea,i would pay for it!
Planetside 2 extreme gore edition!!!

[RageMasterUK]

Upon careful consideration I think when players get shot they should hemmorage nanites instead. The nanites should be red. =D

People uncomfortable with gore should'nt buy a gore pack. But please, just speak for yourself and dont try and dissuade SOE from putting it in. You dont like gore, dont get it.

I thought about this for a moment...

Think about that for a moment. Unless you're a psychopath, actual blood and gore is not attractive. People's intestines strewn about the ground is not pretty. At least not to me and most others. So why is it that people would want to see it in a game?

O. M. G. WAR isnt attractive or pretty m8. So why are we here looking forward to a war game? ESCAPISM. The reason you, I, everyone on this damn forum plays games like this is because we want to have this experience without being directly connected and affected by it, and without it affecting other folks. Similarly want to see digital gore because we know it exists in context but we dont really want to see it IRL. Its not because we're all sadists. We're just curious to see a full representation of our simulated experience...

There are people who participate in and support the bombing and shooting of people in real life. If people have a problem with gore they should start by campaining against their countries military actions, and not by stopping a few red pixels on other peoples monitors.

-RageMasterUK

[maddoggg]

Originally Posted by RageMasterUK

Upon careful consideration I think when players get shot they should hemmorage nanites instead. The nanites should be red. =D

People uncomfortable with gore should'nt buy a gore pack. But please, just speak for yourself and dont try and dissuade SOE from putting it in. You dont like gore, dont get it.

I thought about this for a moment...



O. M. G. WAR isnt attractive or pretty m8. So why are we here looking forward to a war game? ESCAPISM. The reason you, I, everyone on this damn forum plays games like this is because we want to have this experience without being directly connected and affected by it, and without it affecting other folks. Similarly want to see digital gore because we know it exists in context but we dont really want to see it IRL. Its not because we're all sadists. We're just curious to see a full representation of our simulated experience...

There are people who participate in and support the bombing and shooting of people in real life. If people have a problem with gore they should start by campaining against their countries military actions, and not by stopping a few red pixels on other peoples monitors.

-RageMasterUK

Well said

[MCYRook]

Originally Posted by Masterr

Yes its impractical, yes blood doesnt spray like that irl but, it makes kills more satisfying.

I guess it does, if you're 15 years old.

Don't underestimate the amount of dev work that has to go into this if you want it to look "satisfying". And they can't offer it to all of their playerbase either, due to national restrictions.

To me, this is one of those "meh, if they have totally run out of ideas about what to add to the game, they can go forward with this for all I care" suggestions. About on par with player housing.

[Gugabalog]

I personally think ratings agencies can go out the window. Especially considering how inconsistent and lacking in transparency they are.

On Topic: I don't see why a game that consists solely of online interaction can be rated, much less an *optional* addition for that same nigh unrateable content.

[Rat]

I doubt enough people would buy the gore pack to make the developement of the package cost effective.

[Gugabalog]

Upon careful consideration I think when players get shot they should hemmorage nanites instead. The nanites should be red. =D

People uncomfortable with gore should'nt buy a gore pack. But please, just speak for yourself and dont try and dissuade SOE from putting it in. You dont like gore, dont get it.

I thought about this for a moment...

Think about that for a moment. Unless you're a psychopath, actual blood and gore is not attractive. People's intestines strewn about the ground is not pretty. At least not to me and most others. So why is it that people would want to see it in a game?
O. M. G. WAR isnt attractive or pretty m8. So why are we here looking forward to a war game? ESCAPISM. The reason you, I, everyone on this damn forum plays games like this is because we want to have this experience without being directly connected and affected by it, and without it affecting other folks. Similarly want to see digital gore because we know it exists in context but we dont really want to see it IRL. Its not because we're all sadists. We're just curious to see a full representation of our simulated experience...

There are people who participate in and support the bombing and shooting of people in real life. If people have a problem with gore they should start by campaining against their countries military actions, and not by stopping a few red pixels on other peoples monitors.

-RageMasterUK

Players are assembled by nanites not made up of them.

I doubt enough people would buy the gore pack to make the developement of the package cost effective.

Idk how the TW:S2 gore pack did but look up it's sales statistics to see if you think this is viable.