TR and NC

[Beerbeer]

Some people may take this the wrong way, but I really have no loyalties when it comes to empires. I'm actually playing TR quite a bit lately and got him up to BR 15 (my Nc guy is BR 22).

Here are my impressions so far:

The prowler is actually a really nice tank and the HE gun on that things blows away the vanguard HE gun by a huge margin. I really like the speed, the vanguard is a sloth. I would choose the prowler over any other tank farming infantry.

Really cant tell a difference between the mosquito and reaver, although I like the needler better than the default reaver gun.

I don't play HA as NC at all, but I do as a TR. This is where the biggest disparity lies, IMO. TR HA guns blows the living crap out of NC HA guns, generally speaking. I would really question anyone who thinks otherwise.

The nighthawk is really nice. I didn't realize it was auto at first, lol. I actually like it better than the mauler, now. Other than that, there really isn't too much of a difference in regards to LA, IMO.

TR pistol is my absolute favorite. I thought the rebel was nice, but this was before i had a good chance to use it for an extended period of time. It's like a mini machine gun.

Maxes: I would take the Nc max over the Tr max any day.

Don't take this wrong, but I've run across way more immature kids on the TR than the Nc. It could just be the two servers I'm on, but the average NC player seems older than the average Tr player, at least on the servers I'm on.

I'm enjoying my TR guy a lot. Probably will play him more. Oh, and for the record, yes I'm doing better playing TR than NC.

[Phrygen]

I would play NC on waterson more if they weren't getting decimating constantly. Its nice always having the warpgate next to you though when flying i reaver. Apparently totalbiscut and angryjoe told everyone who watches them they were going TR on that server, and now TR outnumber everyone.

Matheson seems more balanced faction wise. Being TR there is fine.


Basicly NC infantry so far has been a big let down. TR infantry is very nice.

[Beerbeer]

Yeah, doesn't matter if it's TR or NC, I'll leave the continent my empire is zerging. Too boring.

[DDSHADE]

I actually play TR 90% of the time, but find a few of the NC guns better.
I play VS as well and do far better than TR or NC for some reason. I would love to try dual Scatter max guns ... They pwn. Then again... so do dual Mercy DC maxes for TR.

I love the Mosquito, haven't gotten used to the Reaver yet but the Scythe is epic and totally unfair. As far as tanks go... the Prowler anchored mode has got to have an option to boost or something. Or increase fire rate without locking down.

I can't wait to see the balance once the buggies come out

[Phrygen]

Originally Posted by DDSHADE

I love the Mosquito, haven't gotten used to the Reaver yet but the Scythe is epic and totally unfair. As far as tanks go... the Prowler anchored mode has got to have an option to boost or something. Or increase fire rate without locking down.

I can't wait to see the balance once the buggies come out

mossie feels more like an actual aircraft to me, and the scythe does have some nice handlings, but most of the best pilots agree the reaver is the best because of the thrust vectoring (your spacebar and A/S), which makes it turn faster than the others. Mossies do have a nice banking turn tho.

there is a bit of personal preference, and the best pilots can use all of them well, but the best pilots also claim the reaver is king. It helped when i put the first cert into dog fighting frame and got flares.

I still suck at flying though.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Phrygen

I would play NC on waterson more if they weren't getting decimating constantly. Its nice always having the warpgate next to you though when flying i reaver. Apparently totalbiscut and angryjoe told everyone who watches them they were going TR on that server, and now TR outnumber everyone.

Matheson seems more balanced faction wise. Being TR there is fine.


Basicly NC infantry so far has been a big let down. TR infantry is very nice.

I didn't know AngryJoe was TR on Waterson as well as TB. That can explain a lot then as to why they seem to be so many in number.

To hell with them anyway. Im staying with NC and will enjoy the day I finally get to shoot them in the face. Better to have good opponents than farm weaklings any day.

[Sifer2]

Just to make some corrections the Prowler is good at farming Infantry yes. But anything else, and it's far worse than the Vanguard or Magrider.

The TR pistol is better at close range. NC one is better a distance.

TR HA default gun might be better yes. NC unlock guns can be good. And before people whine remember TR Infiltrator has to buy Bolt Action, where as NC starts with it.

And yes the ScatMAX is infinitely more useful than Cycler MAX. Especially because of the Charge.

[boogy]

I play TR and feel VS are 10x tougher to fight than NC. I actually think VS are the most powerful faction. All I do is die to magriders and their infantry weapons are no way inferior to TR's. When pops are even the VS have no problem steam rolling everyone. I think buffing the NC's heavy weapons will help balance things better.

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

[Figment]

Personally feel reasonably on par with VS, but out TTKed by the TR. Really have to work on being extremely accurate even with intended to spam weapons on NC, where I feel both VS and TR have more leniant hipfire weapons.

Tankwise, Magrider is a clear winner due to being a Tank Destroyer that through strafing always keeps the strongest part on the opponent. If I can get an AP gun on the rear of a Mag though, it's two shots and the fight is over with a Vanguard. That hardly matters many times though as you'll hardly see the rear of the Mags. Need faster units for that or lower Mag turning speed. Mag is more leniant to solo drivers as it basically plays as you would infantry and don't have to worry about how your hull is oriented since you always know.

Curious to see how buggies would fare against them.

[ShadetheDruid]

Originally Posted by boogy

Who do you NC feel are tougher to fight? The VS or TR?

For me, it's hard to say. Infantry-wise, the TR's Trac-5s and CARVs are giant pains in the arse, but the VS weapons still seem really powerful despite having less damage (which I guess is because of the accuracy they have, they hit nice and consistantly). I apparently fight VS a lot more, but despite that I get more annoyed by TR's weapons, especially when they can shoot me full auto at medium range.

Vehicle-wise though, definitely VS. Magriders are evil, Prowlers not so much (which isn't surprising, considering people say they're a bit weak and in need of a buff). I ride around in a Lightning a lot, and I get killed by more dumbfire HA rockets than I do Prowlers. Magriders on the other hand, I just run away (unless I can snipe them from a hill).

So i'd have to say it's situational, TR feel tougher to fight in an infantry battle (though it's close), VS in a ground vehicle battle. I can't speak to air, because I can't fly the aircraft very well.

[Crator]

The NC6 Guass Saw (default NC HA gun) benefits a lot from the forward grip attachment.

[Beerbeer]

Yeah, the mag is the best all around tank, but the prowler wins farming infantry. I never realized how powerful the HE gun is, and it honestly feels like each shot is equivalent to the single vanguard HE shot. In any case, that's all most tankers do anyways is spam doors and deployed sunderers (including me sadly).

I run all of my guns with nothing at the moment, aside from the 10 round shotgun clip on the mauler and nighthawk. Really don't feel the need to get anything else for the guns I use, although I want to get the reflex for the carv.

I played with the NC HA guns heavily in beta and the saw does need attachments to even barely work, lol. Kind of sucks IMO, but I would take a naked carv over a fully kitted saw any day of the week.

That's all I can really comment on, as that's all I've tried.

Oh, 60 infantry mortar on the sunderer is kind if uninspiring. I wouldn't get it again. The vanguard AA gun kind of sucks, too. While it can at least kind hit air targets, the damage is poor IMO.

Another thing I find strange is that the default 50 cal tank/sunderer guns can't hit aircraft for crap. It almost seems like they purposely fiddled with something to make that the case since these guns otherwise shred through vehicles surprisingly fast.

[james]

As it sits, TR OP, VS is balanced, and NC Is under powered.


The problem with the NC is, you need to spend 700 sc, then 300 certs on the em6 to even be close to par with the stock carv.

[boogy]

Coming back from another frustrating session of constantly dying to magriders and vs instant kill weapons. I really believe they are the OP faction when you take into account the whole arsenal. No way VS are the balanced faction with that tank.

NC seriously need a buff because fighting them is easy mode compared to fighting the VS.

[Sunrock]

Originally Posted by Beerbeer

Some people may take this the wrong way, but I really have no loyalties when it comes to empires. I'm actually playing TR quite a bit lately and got him up to BR 15 (my Nc guy is BR 22).

Here are my impressions so far:

The prowler is actually a really nice tank and the HE gun on that things blows away the vanguard HE gun by a huge margin. I really like the speed, the vanguard is a sloth. I would choose the prowler over any other tank farming infantry.

Really cant tell a difference between the mosquito and reaver, although I like the needler better than the default reaver gun.

I don't play HA as NC at all, but I do as a TR. This is where the biggest disparity lies, IMO. TR HA guns blows the living crap out of NC HA guns, generally speaking. I would really question anyone who thinks otherwise.

The nighthawk is really nice. I didn't realize it was auto at first, lol. I actually like it better than the mauler, now. Other than that, there really isn't too much of a difference in regards to LA, IMO.

TR pistol is my absolute favorite. I thought the rebel was nice, but this was before i had a good chance to use it for an extended period of time. It's like a mini machine gun.

Maxes: I would take the Nc max over the Tr max any day.

Don't take this wrong, but I've run across way more immature kids on the TR than the Nc. It could just be the two servers I'm on, but the average NC player seems older than the average Tr player, at least on the servers I'm on.

I'm enjoying my TR guy a lot. Probably will play him more. Oh, and for the record, yes I'm doing better playing TR than NC.

I agree with most of what you say but I like to add this.

Re: Mosquito Vs Reaver

I think there is a destinked fealing between the two. The Mosquito is allot more unstabil in it's flight, makint it allot easier to hover with the reaver. This means it is allot easier to hit with A2G rockets from a further distance with the Reaver.

Re: Heavy assult

Well the TR HA weapons have a bigger recoil making it harder to kill at long range compared to NC as TR needs more bullets to hit to kill the target. But if we are talking close quarters I agree.

For the record I have a TR BR:27 NC: BR:8 VS BR:10. But the in beta I had a TR: BR:25 VS at BR:17 and a NC at BR: 12