So people can bail and instagib you now??

[Varsam]

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

Seems like a lot of people run without mine guard, probably because the other options are more attractive in their opinion. I don't run mine guard on anything but the Sunderer, as it is the only vehicle that must be stationary to perform its function. This is a choice that I, and everyone else has to make when loading out their vehicles. It wasn't an easy choice either. It seems to me that when the options available require serious consideration, we have a good system.

Agreed. I think you're right that on most vehicles it's a tougher choice. The sundy is a unique case as you say. Unfortunately the sundy is such an important piece of equipment on the battlefield (entire sieges can be broken by taking down a single sundy), it places special emphasis on mines and their relationship with sundies, though I think sundies in general need a rework (right now there's no reason not to take AMS) to make gameplay choices more dynamic.

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

I agree that mines should be a little easier to detect. In the original Planetside you could see them before you were in range to set them off if you were in first person. That should be the case in game too, making players choose between driving in third person for situational awareness, or driving in first person to detect any mines.

But then we walk a fine line between mines being effective tools for area denial and mines being useless because suddenly everyone can see them. I currently don't have any ideas on how to get around this. Maybe make mines easy to see, but indestructible? Then allow engi repair tools to disarm mines.

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

The rest of your post doesn't really say anything of value about the use of mines in game. Using tools effectively is part of being a good player, you aren't abusing anything. Besides, even though you can get relatively steady kills with mines, they definitely do no make up the largest portion of your kills/xp/etc. That fully loaded Sunderer pinata you popped that one time included.

Also admittedly true. I just wanted to emphasize their ease of use.

[Babyfark McGeez]

These throwable tank mines are stupid crap. Deploy them like Ammo Packs and it wouldn't feel so cheap.

Also Infantry one-hit-killing vehicles is lame in general and shouldn't be possible.

[Aurmanite]

Originally Posted by Babyfark McGeez

These throwable tank mines are stupid crap. Deploy them like Ammo Packs and it wouldn't feel so cheap.

Also Infantry one-hit-killing vehicles is lame in general and shouldn't be possible.

Stupid crap...lame...cheap.

Solid position you have there.

[MaxDamage]

Often bail and fire a rocket into the rear of the tank that finally got my tank.
Legit.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

Stupid crap...lame...cheap.

Solid position you have there.

A value judgment is something different from argumentation.



Not sure why you're confusing the two as it shouldn't ever be considered to be the full position of a player: the player has reasons for it that lead to a value judgment.


You know, you could have asked some indepth questions instead to understand why the position results in that value judgment:

"Why is throwing cheap?"
"Why is placing it like an ammo pack not?"

Then you'd quickly find out the argumentation behind the value judgment.



And uhm, value judgments are opinion and cannot be "wrong" and always valuable - just less valuable if not visibly connected to argumentation (mind the argument may have already been provided by others or in another thread). If this is how you treat people giving feedback though, by ridiculing them, I don't expect you to ever make good product improvements.

[Baneblade]

Stop waving cake at the proletariat Figgy, you know it won't end well.

[VGCS]

Originally Posted by Ghodere

An enemy bailing from a nearly-destroyed vehicle seems to take a few moments to render. This is long enough for a well-placed rocket or mine to be placed before the enemy is ever seen.

Interesting....

[Aurmanite]

Originally Posted by Figment

A value judgment is something different from argumentation.



Not sure why you're confusing the two as it shouldn't ever be considered to be the full position of a player: the player has reasons for it that lead to a value judgment.


You know, you could have asked some indepth questions instead to understand why the position results in that value judgment:

"Why is throwing cheap?"
"Why is placing it like an ammo pack not?"

Then you'd quickly find out the argumentation behind the value judgment.



And uhm, value judgments are opinion and cannot be "wrong" and always valuable - just less valuable if not visibly connected to argumentation (mind the argument may have already been provided by others or in another thread). If this is how you treat people giving feedback though, by ridiculing them, I don't expect you to ever make good product improvements.

This isn't second grade. Opinions can be wrong.

I'm sure you enjoyed writing your post. You love to write them posts, Figment. It's your favorite.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

Opinions can be wrong.

Feel free to expand on that.

[Babyfark McGeez]

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

Stupid crap...lame...cheap.

Solid position you have there.

I stated the reason for my opinion allready numerous times in the different threads about this topic, everything has been said and debated to death on this matter.
Therefore: Check the other threads instead of trying to be "TEH WITTY GUY" and sounding like a dork who doesn't know the meaning of opinion.

[Rothnang]

Tank Battle in Beta: Get out and repair your tank in the middle of the fight.
Tank Battle after Launch: Tanks shoot each other.
Tank Battles now: Get out and landmine the other tank.