*sigh* Still havent seen Matrix 2...

[Ryuuji]

You know what else is good, aregeno

[simba]

�how the hell did this thread go from Matrix to drugs 4 5 pages!? I just wanna know wot u ppl think about matrix realoaded, not drugs. Can u do that? Cant we quit this blubblaer about drugs?

[Squeeky]

I think he was banned.

Oh, and Hamma's right. Flame the admin, it will get you two cookies wit teh whip cream! and a ban.

[Jarlo]

STFU Squeek you gimp!

<waits for his creamy cookies>

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by Jarlo
STFU Squeek you gimp!

<waits for his creamy cookies>

Did you read the small text? BANNED!

[TekDragon]

Those were some interesting news tidbits. Reminds me very much of the stuff i read in the DARE program.

I noticed none of those articles mentioned what testing controls they were using, or where they drew their test subjects from.

Those 2 things are main reasons why most "research" that finds results that show "lower results among users" are simply not accepted by the medical community. They dont use ethical controls or broad test subject ranges.

Could you please give me links to the sites that hosted those news findings? Id like to track the "research" down and see just what control were taken.

I would be willing to lay down good money that the subjects they drew came from crack ghetto. Ive seen it before, and ill see it again.

Thanks in advance for the linkage

[EDIT] I decided to go back and look through those articles more thouroughly and pick out some glaring mistakes that, as a bio major, i noticed would invalidate the findings.

"The strength of this study is that these children have been followed since birth. The weakness is that it is a small group, and schizophrenia is a rare disease."

They used a small test group, then tried broadening their research out to a global level. Thats pathetic. Their main researcher even acknowledged it. They really should stop handing out PH. Ds to every moron that wants one. Then again.. we all do things we dont like, and her paycheck from the government was very dependent on her findings.

In the largest of the newly reported studies, researchers followed about 50,000 Swedish men for 27 years after being drafted for military service.

This time they used a properly broad test range. However, their test control was prepostrous. Military draftees? And they were blaming any psychological stress on marijuana? *snicker*

Thats just plain funny. Please send me full linkage to that article. I want to find out who sponcored that research.

[Squeeky]

Sheesh man, give it up already.

[TekDragon]

But among light users (fewer than five joints a week), researchers found gains in IQ scores of about 5.8 points . Former users and non-users also had slight increases in their scores -- of 3.5 and 2.6, respectively.

Looks like were gonna need some new sayings.

"A blunt a day keeps minimum wage away"

[TekDragon]

Oh and BTW: to summarize that "intellegence" finding on marijuana they basically say this:

1. Smoking marijuana lightly (5 or less a week) makes you smarter than someone who does not smoke.
2. Someone who smoked heavily and then quit.. is smarter than those who have never smoked, but not as smart as those who are still smoking lightly.
3. Never smoking makes you smarter than somoene who is currently stoned off their ass, but less intellegent than someone who smokes lightly or who smoked heavily in the past.



Even though it supports marijuana.. id never use it as a claim on why i smoke. The test controls were rediculous.

[Jarlo]

What stress do swedish military people have? THey never fight in a war!

All of those links were from WebMD doing a search for marijuana. I can look up some actual studies and link them tomorrow but almost done with work today (horray!)

And like I said it is a damn shame you are wasting that fine brain on figuring out how to best roll your blunt.

[Onizuka]

You pick at things too much tek. Ya the first few pickings i took very seriously: i mean you analyzed thema and everything.

But now you pick at anything that doesnt agree with you because you dont and cant admit your wrong.

Its like crying wolf and now if you criticize things, no one cares. Like this game, like marijuana. We all know your going to say something bad or against what most people think so just say it and get it out of the way.

You cant find anything good in anything. I told you you changed my mind somewhat about marijuana and that it may not be extremely deadly. But of course i didnt do anything to you. You brake the law and announce it, then you argue about it!??!?! This makes me sick.

[TekDragon]

What stress do swedish military people have? THey never fight in a war!

Read it again. They were drafted. Apparently they served some military role.

Military doesnt draft people just to sit around and do nothing. Ill be the first to say they aint the most efficient bunch in the world... but they dont draft 50,000 people to sit on their thumbs.

And like I said it is a damn shame you are wasting that fine brain on figuring out how to best roll your blunt.

Ahh my friend, that is simply your opinion based on your own limited experience on the subject (if you even have any).

I have some friends who enjoy having a glass of wine or two after dinner. Personally i find it tragically passe. But they believe it to be romantic. Mostly i believe they do it simply because a nice glass of wine should not be rushed.. and it gives time for socialization in this hectic world.

The same goes with a nice joint after a hard days work. I remember when i was in Czech Republic living with my girlfriend and she came home after a stressful day at summer school. I invited her out on a picnic on the roof of her building with some sandwiches (im not the best cook, but i remember them being passable) and 2 nicely rolled joints (courtesy of her father).

Lets just say that the intimacy and sharing, on both mental and physical levels, are memories that will last a life time.

You may not see the point to me saying that.. but the point is marijuana is not evil. It is merely a recreational tool. Certaintly it carries some health risk. I would be shocked deaf and dumb if somoene proved that smoking marijuana did NOT "raise the risk of a heart attack by 10% among subjects in their middle ages".

Quite frankly, i dont give a damn. No one has ever been able to come up with any conclusive data that marijuana effects your mind. From personal experience.. i believe it does not. Hell, weve got one study up their that showed smoking 5 joints a week made your IQ go UP 6 points. Hogwash, squared and cubed.

Eating rare meat. Using minimal sexual protection. Jet-skiing without a life preserver. Not eating all my greens. Not wearing my seatbelt. Smoking a joint now and again.

All of those things raise the risks to my health. I do not deny it. However, id sooner cut off my arm than give them up. They are the ways i choose to live.

And having some bible belt, ignorant child like Squeeky come and tell me im "fucking stupid" for doing what i wish in my recreational time... well.. lets just say it makes me wonder what our world is coming to when a man cant sit on his back porch and puff a jay in peace.

Maybe thats why im asking to be stationed in Germany. Those people dont put up with silly nonsence.

[Led]

Any remaining doubt about any kind of drug user being a complete and total fucktard went out the window when some shithead high on god knows what tried out his pumpkin carving skills on my FACE

I now have two simple tattoos covering up two scars on my jaw and next to my ear.

Every time I look in the mirror I am reminded of the vacant look in that retards eyes while he was merrily sticking me.

So, Mr Drugtard, kindly go fuck yourself. Fuck you, fuck your retarded potsmoking friends, fuck your parents for bringing such a clueless self centered bastard into the world.

[TekDragon]

Any remaining doubt about any kind of drug user being a complete and total fucktard went out the window when some shithead high on god knows what tried out his pumpkin carving skills on my FACE

I now have two simple tattoos covering up two scars on my jaw and next to my ear.

Every time I look in the mirror I am reminded of the vacant look in that retards eyes while he was merrily sticking me.

So, Mr Drugtard, kindly go fuck yourself. Fuck you, fuck your retarded potsmoking friends, fuck your parents for bringing such a clueless self centered bastard into the world.

Truly i apologize for your pain and anything i said that may have brought up some bad memories.

However... id like to simply point out that all the (soley) marijuana users i know are very nice, introspective people. Every time ive been with people who are high they are considerate, respectful, and peaceful. I cannot imagine someone high on pot even mustering up the will to kill a spider.

Im almost certain that whoever did that to you (and im extremely sorry they did) was using a level 5 drug such as LSD, Coke, Heroin, E, Acid, K, or some other halucinogen.

I can also, within reason, gurantee he was mentally disturbed in some way or another. Sadly there are many people born into the world that lack morals or concience. Im sorry you had to meet one of these people.

Please though, dont blame his actions on a drug. That lets him off much to easily. His actions were his own and he should be punished for them. Letting someone off the hook for doing something stupid because they were "high" is rediculous.

Again.. im sorry you were assaulted in such a way. You have my condolences. Let me just say this. If i had been there, high or not, i would have attempted to defend you. Its the way i am, marijuana or not.

[Prowler]

Drugs are bad kids.