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Old 2003-11-24, 01:22 PM   [Ignore Me] #1
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[NEWS]Wood-Chipped Chickens Fuel Outrage


Wood-Chipped Chickens Fuel Outrage
A San Diego area vet who allegedly allowed the disposal of 30,000 live birds feels the heat.


By Jia-Rui Chong, Times Staff Writer


San Diego County's Animal Services Department has filed a complaint against a veterinarian who allegedly authorized a Valley Center egg ranch to kill 30,000 hens by dumping them alive into a wood chipper.

Reports by the county, recently obtained by The Times, recount workers at the ranch feeding squirming birds by the bucket into the pounding machine, then turning the mashed remains with dirt and heaping the mixture into piles.

The complaint centers on Gregg Cutler, a veterinarian who is also on the animal welfare committee of the American Veterinary Medical Assn.

Last winter, Cutler attended a meeting of poultry ranchers, veterinarians and state and federal officials to discuss how farmers should deal with chickens and other fowl during the outbreak of exotic Newcastle disease. During the meeting, the group discussed using a wood chipper to destroy birds that could not be moved because of a quarantine.

A few weeks later, in February, Ward Egg Ranch rented a wood chipper to destroy hens which, though not infected with the Newcastle disease, had stopped laying eggs. San Diego County authorities received a complaint about the killing, and operators of the ranch said they got the idea from Cutler and others at the meeting.

Cutler denies he came up with the idea, but said he doesn't have a problem with using the machine for that purpose.

"No idea was too crazy to throw out at these meetings," said Cutler. "We were in desperation trying to deal with this disease."

Feeding chickens into a wood chipper, he said, "seemed like it was instantaneous and there was no suffering�. I personally believe if it's done properly with correct equipment, it's a humane way of disposing of birds in an emergency."

Cutler said he's being unfairly targeted by animal welfare activists. In the last three weeks, four national animal advocate groups have called for his removal from the animal welfare committee.

In the county's report into the incident, Arie Wilgenburg, one of the ranch owners, is quoted as saying that several veterinarians, including Cutler, said wood-chipping was an "approved method" to kill hens that were no longer producing eggs.

An egg ranch manager, Ken Iriye, told officials that the ranch preferred using the wood chipper to the usual methods of gassing by carbon-dioxide or snapping chickens' necks because it was "less traumatizing." He said it was easier for the staff to "cram the chickens in a chute than to chase them around and break their necks."

The report says that Cutler acknowledged supervising the mass euthanasia over the phone. County Animal Services Lt. Mary Kay Gagliardo said Cutler also told her that he believed using a wood chipper was humane.

Gagliardo wrote: "I then asked him if he felt it was still humane if they were going in there bunches at a time, being plugged up in the chute, not knowing if they were going into the shredder feet first, breast first, if he still considered that a humane death, and he said to me, 'Yes, of course. However they go in, it's quick, it's painless, and it's over in seconds.' "

Cutler denies saying this and claims there are numerous inaccuracies in the report.

Wilgenburg, one of the ranch's owners, said that since February he has received about 100 pieces of hate mail and several threatening phone calls in the middle of the night. The sale of part of the ranch to Cebe Farms, which raises poultry for eating, was held up for several months because of the public outcry, Wilgenburg said.

If he had to do it again, he said, he would have gassed the chickens instead of sending them through a chipper. "Still, gassing is worse than the wood chipper�. It takes slightly longer for the chicken to die."

In filing the complaint against Cutler, the county asked the state Department of Consumer Affairs to investigate the incident further and determine if punishment was warranted.

A state veterinary board spokeswoman said the agency does not comment on filed complaints. Generally, if the veterinary board believes a violation has occurred, the case is taken to the state attorney general's office, said Gina Bayliss, the board's enforcement director. The attorney general may present it to an administrative law judge, who can put a veterinarian on probation or suspend or revoke his license.

In April, the San Diego district attorney's office investigated whether the egg ranch had committed animal cruelty. Elisabeth Silva, the deputy district attorney assigned to the case, said that she could not find criminal intent on the part of the owners, concluding that the Wilgenburgs were just following professional advice.

Silva's office declined to file a case. Animal welfare groups protested. Silva investigated further, but again declined to file a case against the Wilgenburgs.

Animal interest groups continue to protest Cutler's fitness to practice avian medicine. Karen Davis, president of the Machipongo, Va.-based United Poultry Concerns, has been circulating the San Diego County documents and vowed that animal groups would continue to nettle the American Veterinary Medical Assn. until it removed Cutler from the animal welfare committee.

In response to the outcry, the veterinary association has publicly condemned throwing live chickens into a wood chipper. Spokeswoman Gail Golab said they are pursuing "standard procedures to investigate allegations against members," but would not divulge details.

Other poultry experts may have also authorized the wood-chipping, the animal welfare groups acknowledged, but they said they focused on Cutler because of his committee membership.

"This is not just anybody," said Wayne Pacelle, spokesman for the Humane Society of the United States. "This is a guy on the animal welfare committee of the most prominent animal veterinary group in the country. That does not inspire confidence in any declaration from such a committee."

Seems kinda messy. Discuss.....

For the record i see no problem with this. They are being disposed of, humanely (instantaneous death) and turned into well fertilized dirt.

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/s...r22nov22.story

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Old 2003-11-24, 01:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #2
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as opposed to letting them starve, cutting their heads off, electrocution, gassing or burning them alive?

a chipper would at least be humane in as far as its over quickly and leaves a eco-friendly byproduct.

I dont see the problem myself.
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Old 2003-11-24, 01:50 PM   [Ignore Me] #3
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at least they have a cool death story to tell thier friends up in chicken heaven.
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Old 2003-11-24, 01:59 PM   [Ignore Me] #4
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When I read the thread title I'm like, Wha? So I start to read it, and guess what, 30k chickens were chopped up in a wood chipper. This is hilarious to me. I would love to see all the feathers coming out and whatnot. But I digress, chickens are stupid. I really don't see why we have to kill an animal in a humane way. If I shot a chicken, it would die, if I snapped its neck, it would die. If we send 30,000 chickens to death by wood chipper, they still die. The end result is the same. It's DEAD.
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Old 2003-11-24, 01:59 PM   [Ignore Me] #5
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"Hey wow, look at that! a bucket! is there food in that bucket? Neat! There are friends in that bucket! I am going for a ride! Look, a worm on the ground. Hey! What's the deal with that big thing? All my friends are going in, looks kinda neat, like a big ride! Whee! I'm going in to it for a ----"
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Old 2003-11-24, 02:01 PM   [Ignore Me] #6
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Now use your imaginations and think up the sounds.
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Old 2003-11-24, 02:04 PM   [Ignore Me] #7
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I could have sworn I heard that months ago. They should have taken them to a shotgun range. People would pay big bucks to blast chickens.
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Old 2003-11-24, 02:06 PM   [Ignore Me] #8
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let em run loose, good target practice
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Old 2003-11-24, 03:48 PM   [Ignore Me] #9
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They are only chickens, but they could have done it another way.
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:04 PM   [Ignore Me] #10
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They COULD have, but they didn't.
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:10 PM   [Ignore Me] #11
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Oh c'mon!
How many chances in life are you going to have to shove chickens into a woodchipper?

I woulda been like " Hey you know this wasn't my idea but as long as they are giving us the go head....Lets do this thing before somebody changes their mind."
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:29 PM   [Ignore Me] #12
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Shoving chickens into a wood chipper may sound funny to you, but let's say I decide to shove you in a wood chipper. Is that humane now? No? What about kittens, or dogs? No? Why chickens then? Is it because they're not as cute and cuddly?

Come on, get real. That isn't humane, and I doubt it's ethical either. I can see euthanizing animals because they are carriers of disease, but by a fucking wood chipper? Bullshit.

What makes this the ultimate hypocracy is that this idea supposedly came from a freaking committee on animal rights.
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:33 PM   [Ignore Me] #13
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I side with firefly, sorta. A human life has more value, but still, that's a pretty sick idea, using living creatures for fuel. Matrix, here we come.
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:46 PM   [Ignore Me] #14
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Originally Posted by Firefly
Shoving chickens into a wood chipper may sound funny to you, but let's say I decide to shove you in a wood chipper. Is that humane now? No? What about kittens, or dogs? No? Why chickens then? Is it because they're not as cute and cuddly?

Come on, get real. That isn't humane, and I doubt it's ethical either. I can see euthanizing animals because they are carriers of disease, but by a fucking wood chipper? Bullshit.

What makes this the ultimate hypocracy is that this idea supposedly came from a freaking committee on animal rights.
I concur whole-heartedly.
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:50 PM   [Ignore Me] #15
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Originally Posted by Firefly
Shoving chickens into a wood chipper may sound funny to you, but let's say I decide to shove you in a wood chipper. Is that humane now? No? What about kittens, or dogs? No? Why chickens then? Is it because they're not as cute and cuddly?

Come on, get real. That isn't humane, and I doubt it's ethical either. I can see euthanizing animals because they are carriers of disease, but by a fucking wood chipper? Bullshit.

What makes this the ultimate hypocracy is that this idea supposedly came from a freaking committee on animal rights.
Yeah, I agree. Anyone involved should be fed into a woodchipper... slowly. Imagine your household pet, or for that matter, you, being fed into a woodchipper. I dare you to tell me that's humane.

For shame, PSU.
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